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News Forum - Brief bandit: thief strips down to underwear, swipes stash of briefs
If he was still wearing his undies, why did he need to steal someone else's? -
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News Forum - Disgraced Khon Kaen school director nabbed for buying sex from student, 12
Well indeed. And I was criticised for suggesting a 12 year old might be a teenager, bringing in the semantics of the word. My own feelings are that the Argentine law is the most realist. An age of consent at 13, with exceptions for authority figures, like this teacher in the news story, who might be abusing trust. It's most correct to the Western cultural tradition, and to the natural social sciences, and to social facts about people in their formative years. As I might have said, I would also add the qualifier of biomarkers, relating to mid-puberty, as having more import than DoB. I only really object to statutory rape when It's one of three things: 1) minors lying about their age, 2) both parties might be thought teens or youth, by a mainstream usage or definition, or 3) when proven affection and responsible care can be demonstrated to be mutual, or at least sincere on the part of the older partner. None of these concerns is unusual. -
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News Forum - Disgraced Khon Kaen school director nabbed for buying sex from student, 12
Now when do girls reach Tanner Stage 3? In Denmark girls have reached it at 12.3-13, with breast maturation slightly preceding that of the pubic hair. See table 2. https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(23)00510-4/fulltext -
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News Forum - Disgraced Khon Kaen school director nabbed for buying sex from student, 12
It's also worth asking what paedophilia is. The current ICD does not specify beyond that the erotic target must be pre-pubertal. "Pedophilic disorder is characterised by a sustained, focused, and intense pattern of sexual arousal—as manifested by persistent sexual thoughts, fantasies, urges, or behaviours—involving pre-pubertal children. " The DSM-5-TR, similarly defines paedophilia without stating an age, but by reference to a developmental stage. Formerly age 13 had been specified, with Tanner Stage 3 in mind, and this is important. "An individual who has had arousing fantasies about, urges for, or behaviors with a prepubescent child or children." As we all know what the Tanner stages are. The third stage marks mid puberty, meaning that minors in early puberty are more like children, and are perceived so by others. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470280/ Yes it does matter, in a trial, wether the minor is physically and mentally precocious or not. -
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News Forum - Disgraced Khon Kaen school director nabbed for buying sex from student, 12
Why can't some people just admit they are wrong? If a simple web search can confirm you are wrong, looking at dictionaries and medical usage, you are either wrong or, at least, the opposing opinion may hardly be dismissed. The definitions I use are quite mainstream, at least if we consider adolescent to be a synonym of teenage, as per the dictionary, and more importantly, medical science. "In the broadest sense, adolescence refers to the period marking the transition from childhood to adulthood. Historically, this typically spans from 12 to 18..." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4543091/ "It begins with the start of puberty, which in girls is usually at the age of 12–13 years and in boys about 14 years, and usually lasts until 19 years of age." https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095352968 Johns Hopkins do consider adolescence as starting at 13. However, "The teenage years are also called adolescence." https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/the-growing-child-adolescent-13-to-18-years One very useful paper on the origin of human adolrscence, states that adolescence in man usually begins at age 11, both in a bar chart and in the text. https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-11-113/figures/1 (From https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-11-113 ) A number of sources regard adolescence as starting as early as 10, including the prestigious medical journal, The Lancet. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(18)30022-1/abstract This is taken up by the WHO. "Adolescence is the phase of life between childhood and adulthood, from ages 10 to 19." https://www.who.int/health-topics/adolescent-health#tab=tab_1 So nothing I have said in this thread is fringe.
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