Russian arms trader working closely supplying Burmese military

[Thaiger]

The head of a Russian state arms trader was attributed as saying that Russia is working closely with the Burmese military junta to supply military equipment. According to the Interfax news agency, the head of Rosoboronexport, the arms trader in question, spoke of the partnership between the military coup that overthrew the government in Myanmar on February 1 and the Russian military supplier. Myanmar has had a long and growing relationship with Russia, with collaborations for years that includes selling arms to the Burmese army, despite the army being blacklisted by numerous Western countries. Russia has also provided training for […]

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[SickBuffalo]

As a country that was under communism for most of the 20th Century, the Russians have the expertise necessary to ruthlessly crush the spirit of the Burmese people.

[danpeter]

That’s Russia for you. A country where human life and dignity mean nothing, they persecute totally innocent and peaceful people within their borders. Imagine what they will do externally? To them its about money, and building their alliance with other similar minded countries: China, North Korea, Belarus, Iran, Venezuela. Welcome to the fold officially Myanmar. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by danpeter

[Maxellus]

One only needs to look at who their friends are to determine right and wrong. Good and evil.

[kerryd]

Between 2000-2019, Russia was the 2nd largest supplier of military hardware to Burma, with China being the largest. Those two accounted for nearly 90% of Burma's purchases.

However, after Aung San Suu Kyi's party was elected in 2015, Burma made a deal with India to purchase up to 10 Submarines as well as to train their crews (in English) and provide additional support and training (in Burma).
It seems that tiny little shift caused a lot of "ears" to perk up in different places around the world. Not long after Burma took possession of the first sub (October 2020), they had a federal elections (Nov 2020), which Kyi's party won again.

2 1/2 months later (1 Feb 2021), the military staged a coup.

Purely a coincidence though. I'm sure China wasn't bothered with Kyi's dealings with India at all !

No word (that I can see) if the deals made with India have been cancelled or not. Probably won't hear much from the junta about it for sure.

The sub(s) India sold Burma were reconditioned Russian "Kilo" class subs the Indians bought back in the 80s. They didn't mention if the other 9 subs to be purchase would be similar in class and age or if they'd be newer, Indian-made subs.

Russia sold Vietnam some (new) Kilos a few years ago and would no doubt like to do the same in Burma if possible. The Chinese would no doubt prefer Burma buy subs from them of course, which is probably what will happen with the junta running things.

[gummy]

  On 7/22/2021 at 4:42 AM, kerryd said:

Between 2000-2019, Russia was the 2nd largest supplier of military hardware to Burma, with China being the largest. Those two accounted for nearly 90% of Burma's purchases.

However, after Aung San Suu Kyi's party was elected in 2015, Burma made a deal with India to purchase up to 10 Submarines as well as to train their crews (in English) and provide additional support and training (in Burma).
It seems that tiny little shift caused a lot of "ears" to perk up in different places around the world. Not long after Burma took possession of the first sub (October 2020), they had a federal elections (Nov 2020), which Kyi's party won again.

2 1/2 months later (1 Feb 2021), the military staged a coup.

Purely a coincidence though. I'm sure China wasn't bothered with Kyi's dealings with India at all !

No word (that I can see) if the deals made with India have been cancelled or not. Probably won't hear much from the junta about it for sure.

The sub(s) India sold Burma were reconditioned Russian "Kilo" class subs the Indians bought back in the 80s. They didn't mention if the other 9 subs to be purchase would be similar in class and age or if they'd be newer, Indian-made subs.

Russia sold Vietnam some (new) Kilos a few years ago and would no doubt like to do the same in Burma if possible. The Chinese would no doubt prefer Burma buy subs from them of course, which is probably what will happen with the junta running things.

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Interesting report that and as a side issue maybe explains that with Burma having submarines the child like  brains of the Thai military wanted some too.

[HolyCowCm]

Any country taken by hostage, in the case another SE Asian coup by a junta, should be automatically put on the worlds no touch with weapons list in order to return the power back to the people. China and Russia are just purely evil.

[gummy]

  On 7/22/2021 at 5:02 AM, HolyCowCm said:

Any country taken by hostage, in the case another SE Asian coup by a junta, should be automatically put on the worlds no touch with weapons list in order to return the power back to the people. China and Russia are just purely evil.

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and America, UK, France etc  aren't ? All countries that supply weapons to another are no better or worse than any other, only in it for the money

[HolyCowCm]

  On 7/22/2021 at 5:39 AM, gummy said:

and America, UK, France etc  aren't ? All countries that supply weapons to another are no better or worse than any other, only in it for the money

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Hey, I am only referring to the evil China and Russia. Let's leave all of the other ones out of this please!

[Poolie]

How convenient.

Take a look at the NED's involvement in this. Eye opening to say the least.

  On 7/22/2021 at 5:42 AM, HolyCowCm said:

Hey, I am only referring to the evil China and Russia. Let's leave all of the other ones out of this please!

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[dimitri]

  On 7/22/2021 at 5:39 AM, gummy said:

and America, UK, France etc  aren't ? All countries that supply weapons to another are no better or worse than any other, only in it for the money

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But proudly saying that saying that you are working closely with the Burmese military junta to supply military equipment just after they murdered about at thousand citizens is shameless. These people have no morals.

[gummy]

  On 7/22/2021 at 5:48 AM, dimitri said:

But proudly saying that saying that you are working closely with the Burmese military junta to supply military equipment just after they murdered about at thousand citizens is shameless. These people have no morals.

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No world leaders have morals

[kerryd]

  On 7/22/2021 at 4:44 AM, gummy said:

Interesting report that and as a side issue maybe explains that with Burma having submarines the child like  brains of the Thai military wanted some too.

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Yeah. On that "other" forum I made a detailed post about the submarine forces of Thailand's neighbours. Other than Cambodia, all of Thailand's neighbours (that have navies) have submarines, except Thailand.

Frik, Singapore has 8 subs !
And they have the same "shallow water" issues as Thailand has in the Gulf and, like Thailand, would have to sail a considerable distance to find deep enough waters to safely operate subs in. (Even if Thailand's subs were based in the Phuket area, they'd have to travel a couple hundred kms to find water deep enough to reach their maximum operating depth.)

So you have that old "keeping up with the Joneses" issue of not wanting the other guys to get an advantage over you.
From what I've read over the last couple of days, Burma taking possession of it's first sub was a significant development on it's own, never mind that it came from India. 
It was noted that Burma and Thailand have "border issues" and never have been that "friendly" with each other since WW2 at least.

So yeah, on one hand it would make sense for Thailand to have a submarine fleet (based on the West coast at least).
But on the other hand, they are a pricey, hard to maintain, luxury item (like aircraft carriers) and hard to justify at this time.

If Burma's military were to start getting a little belligerent though, that could change things.

[kerryd]

  On 7/22/2021 at 5:50 AM, gummy said:

No world leaders have morals

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So true.
Look at Trudeau in Canada. He pretends he's a feminist and a friend to everyone and all for human rights (blah blah blah) and then when the issue of a major arms deal with Saudi Arabia comes up, a deal he could have easily squashed (especially as it had been set up by the previous Conservative gov't) he decided to "umm, ahhh, ummm" his way through a lame duck reasoning why they decided to let the sale go through.

Votes trump morals every time. He was worried about losing support in the ridings where the factories making those armoured vehicles are located. (Plus he owed the unions for their support of him in the previous election and couldn't risk losing their backing.)

 "Donations" from corporate sponsors also tend to trump morals as well.

[EdwardV]

  On 7/22/2021 at 1:13 PM, kerryd said:

Frik, Singapore has 8 subs !
And they have the same "shallow water" issues as Thailand has in the Gulf and, like Thailand, would have to sail a considerable distance to find deep enough waters to safely operate subs in. 

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It’s not really a good comparison. Singapore guards the Malacca strait, Thailand guards just Thailand. Diesel electric subs are designed to operate in shallow waters, it’s what they are best at. Clearly Singapore has military need to own subs, Thailand not so much. 

[dimitri]

  On 7/22/2021 at 1:19 PM, kerryd said:

he decided to "umm, ahhh, ummm" his way through a lame duck reasoning why they decided to let the sale go through.
 

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Probably he knew that if Canada didn't sell it, someone else would. And probably he also knew that you would be here in this forum complaining about thousands of people in Canada losing their jobs.

[Sparks]

  On 7/22/2021 at 5:39 AM, gummy said:

and America, UK, France etc  aren't ? All countries that supply weapons to another are no better or worse than any other, only in it for the money

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And WHERE do you expect countries to buy weapons for their armed forces? Do you think every country has the resources and knowledge to supply everything for themselves? It's not the fact that you sell (or buy) weapons that is at issue, its WHO you sell them too or who is buying them. Your comment is purely ludicrous on its face unless you are an unrealistic pacifist that believes conflicts will never happen so countries do not need a military at all. You ARE better if you have rules for your sales like which countries you can't sell them to.

[gummy]

  On 7/24/2021 at 1:11 AM, Sparks said:

And WHERE do you expect countries to buy weapons for their armed forces? Do you think every country has the resources and knowledge to supply everything for themselves? It's not the fact that you sell (or buy) weapons that is at issue, its WHO you sell them too or who is buying them. Your comment is purely ludicrous on its face unless you are an unrealistic pacifist that believes conflicts will never happen so countries do not need a military at all. You ARE better if you have rules for your sales like which countries you can't sell them to.

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Well its good to see your 1st post is somewhat aggressive   within 9 minutes of joining !! another troll just registered from elsewhere perhaps.

Well done you are the 1st to be put on ignore today and would hope others follow because this forum does not need people like you, there are other forums more suited, bye bye

[Guevara]

  On 7/24/2021 at 1:11 AM, Sparks said:

And WHERE do you expect countries to buy weapons for their armed forces? Do you think every country has the resources and knowledge to supply everything for themselves? It's not the fact that you sell (or buy) weapons that is at issue, its WHO you sell them too or who is buying them. Your comment is purely ludicrous on its face unless you are an unrealistic pacifist that believes conflicts will never happen so countries do not need a military at all. You ARE better if you have rules for your sales like which countries you can't sell them to.

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In the main, Iagreewith a consdireable part of your post. However, it is not the WHO who are involved i sales but the UN. They like to see themselves as the 'gatekeepers' of sales.

[Morpheus]

  On 7/21/2021 at 5:30 PM, danpeter said:

That’s Russia for you. A country where human life and dignity mean nothing, they persecute totally innocent and peaceful people within their borders. Imagine what they will do externally? To them its about money, and building their alliance with other similar minded countries: China, North Korea, Belarus, Iran, Venezuela. Welcome to the fold officially Myanmar. 

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All have the same ideology, mafia thugs and all ruled by dictators.