News Forum - Phuket governor takes action to solve out of school children crisis

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In a decisive step towards ensuring all children in Phuket receive a formal education, Narong Woonciew, the Governor of Phuket, convened a meeting at the Phuket Provincial Hall. The gathering focused squarely on the thousands of children on the island who are not currently registered at any educational institution. Also in attendance were Vice Governor, … …

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[Karolyn]

Those that skip schooling, don't want to go, and those that don't want to be there, don't learn very much. And they disrupt places of education, which are better spending funds, on those who will learn. Beyond basics like arithmetic and literacy, compulsory education is a waste of money as a project, because it fails upon its own stated goals.

[Marc26]

  On 7/9/2023 at 7:58 AM, Karolyn said:

Those that skip schooling, don't want to go, and those that don't want to be there, don't learn very much. And they disrupt places of education, which are better spending funds, on those who will learn. Beyond basics like arithmetic and literacy, compulsory education is a waste of money as a project, because it fails upon its own stated goals.

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I'd disagree

There is a massive social aspect in schools that you just don't get floating around the streets, village

We are going through this now with our niece 

She was in a useless village school where she didn't really have to do anything 

It was a glorified babysitting service

She switched to a proper school but she's far behind and now "getting sick" at school and doesn't want to go

She just needs more educational structure but her Mom doesn't really have the skills necessary to do so

[Karolyn]

  On 7/9/2023 at 3:50 PM, Marc26 said:

I'd disagree

There is a massive social aspect in schools that you just don't get floating around the streets, village

We are going through this now with our niece 

She was in a useless village school where she didn't really have to do anything 

It was a glorified babysitting service

She switched to a proper school but she's far behind and now "getting sick" at school and doesn't want to go

She just needs more educational structure but her Mom doesn't really have the skills necessary to do so

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The social aspect can mean anything from school bullies, to being drawn into crack. Let's not judge all schools and schooling, unconditionally. 

Don't forget, that the real and potential benefits of schooling, are not in doubt. Rather that they are not often actualised, and the social aspect is a big part of the problem.

If a minor in his or her early teens wants to work in a family business, learn a trade, or join the armed forces, it might be a better choice for them. 

[Marc26]

  On 7/9/2023 at 4:20 PM, Karolyn said:

The social aspect can mean anything from school bullies, to being drawn into crack. Let's not judge all schools and schooling, unconditionally. 

Don't forget, that the real and potential benefits of schooling, are not in doubt. Rather that they are not often actualised, and the social aspect is a big part of the problem.

If a minor in his or her early teens wants to work in a family business, learn a trade, or join the armed forces, it might be a better choice for them. 

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I'd suggest dealing with school bullies is part of the social aspect kids need 

I am not in disagreement that if someone in their teens would prefer to go into other avenues than school then they should be allowed to

And actually encouraged 

[Karolyn]

  On 7/9/2023 at 5:22 PM, Marc26 said:

I'd suggest dealing with school bullies is part of the social aspect kids need

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Maybe and I'm not doubting the importance of things such as arithmetic, so I'm not doubting the worth of compulsory schooling, for young children. But by 12 or 13 they start to get rebellious and unruly - and want to demonstrate their adulthood. Which is what I'm talking about. By that age behavior like physical bullying, not tolerated on a university campus, or place of work, shouldn't be tolerated in a school. 

[Marc26]

  On 7/9/2023 at 11:35 PM, Karolyn said:

Maybe and I'm not doubting the importance of things such as arithmetic, so I'm not doubting the worth of compulsory schooling, for young children. But by 12 or 13 they start to get rebellious and unruly - and want to demonstrate their adulthood. Which is what I'm talking about. By that age behavior like physical bullying, not tolerated on a university campus, or place of work, shouldn't be tolerated in a school. 

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Of course bullying shouldn't be tolerated at any level 

But it's a fact of life

You have bullies throughout your life

Not just in school

So I'd rather my kid face that early on and understand and navigate it

[Karolyn]

  On 7/10/2023 at 2:58 AM, Marc26 said:

Of course bullying shouldn't be tolerated at any level 

But it's a fact of life

You have bullies throughout your life

Not just in school

So I'd rather my kid face that early on and understand and navigate it

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They get away with more at school, though. Because young adults are not treated as adults, when in fact, kids know what right and wrong is, before puberty. I think in the UK, the age of criminal responsibility, is as low as 9.