39 year old dies after AstraZeneca vaccine, a second dose following Sinovac

[gummy]

Just now, snapdragon said:

Ha ha!

I must lighten up Gummy/ Can't change the world with one rant.

Please do, the entire world I think needs to take one step back and be more rational. Many rights and many wrongs but guess as usual nobody will know the real truth for 50 to 75 years

[MikeTexas]

Unfortunately the reporter on this story appears to have jumped to a conclusion that they did not support in the body of the story.

A 39 year old dies AFTER taking a vaccine is not the same as a 39 year old dies FROM taking the vaccine.  There is nothing presented in the story to support the journalist's assumption that the person died FROM the vaccine.  The fact that the person had a reaction is to be expected, as reactions after COVID vaccines are common knowledge, and so can not be used as conclusive proof that the vaccine was the cause.  Either the medical support should be included in the body of the story or the assumption changed to a 39 year old dies after taking a vaccine and the cause is being investigated. 

In the US we have a database that list every adverse reaction and death after a vaccine - even if they died in a car wreck.  If it happened so after taking the vaccine it has to be listed and investigated.  They then go back and investigate to see what was the true cause of death.  Proximity to the vaccine shot is not conclusive evidence of a causal relation. 

[JohninDublin]

7 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

It's a tragedy for the family involved, and I feel for them.

But I am hopeful that the mass-vax enthusiasm seems to be changing and that they did not dig up the local village-idiot scientist to try convince us that it was 'pure coincidence' that she died after taking the '100% safe' jab.

Nobody ever claimed AZ was 100% safe. It is well reported that AZ is the suspect in cases of blood clotting in the under-30's, some of which have been fatal. There is a strong likelihood that this is probaably the cause,as these reports are no longer being made, since countries stopped prescribing AZ, or contraindicated for use in under 40's.

Regardless, the reported cases are extremely few and including all cases, whether fatal or not, it's less that 1-in-a-million who hae suffered this. During the meantime, your chances of getting covid is about 1 in 40. Your chances of getting long covid is about 1-in-120, and your chances of covid killing you are about 1-in-1900. Thus you are over 500x more likely to die from Covid, than you are to even suffer a blod clot from AZ. 

[SnapDragon]

1 minute ago, JohninDubin said:

Thus you are over 500x more likely to die from Covid, than you are to even suffer a blod clot from AZ. 

Can't agree with you there John. Every person in receipt of an AZ jab will get blood clots.

For some it will be nothing that their strong healthy body cannot deal with. Others will get sick. Others will get very sick. And some will die.

AZ is not the only jab that causes clotting.

[dj230]

3 hours ago, Objectivance said:

Exactly!

They should also ban eating in restaurants, jogging on the beach, riding in a car without a paper sneeze guard on their face, attending concerts, riding public transport, having guests in their home on private property, attending religious gatherings and the list goes on for things they should ban for the sake of public safety. Glad we're on the same page.

Now that's a bit much, why on earth would they ban those things? 

[JohninDublin]

6 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

I was playing on words as is it the commies or the vaccine or both no good..

I do wish that people would stop referring to the Chinese as Communists. They gave up on Commuism about 30 years ago. For those who want to tell me that they call themselves Communists, I would remind you that the Nazis called themselves National Socialists and then set about mass murdering Socialists.

[dj230]

35 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

Many are in the school of thought that these gene therapies (vaccines) are there for the good of the populace. To somehow rescue the world from a dastardly peril. There is too much evidence, especially with the US Military involvement since the early 2000s, for me to agree with that.

Fort Detrick (US) and Porton Down (UK) had connections to more than one vax manufacturer; the ones that are now providing the world with their magical concoctions. But from my standpoint, I see quite clearly that the aim for some years now, has been to get an annual jab/shot into everyone from 12 to100. And that takes us even further way from the 'terrain' principal of treating the cause of an illness; not the symptom.

For me it is a complete fraud. Where does this virus exist? Plenty of computer generated images, but where is the actual proof? I've not see any.

From October 2019, what is happening right now has been planned. Just as a starter, Moderna had not been involved in medicine, but suddenly it was promoted by Dr Fauci in November 2019; "Moderna would be big in 2020". How could he know unless there was fishy things afoot? Then we are talking about the very dodgy gain-of-function research. And the dozens of patents that the CDC has control of.

Nothing about this makes sense. Why was there a medical state of emergency in the US, that allowed the jabs to be rolled out so quickly; and without trials as we all now know? By no stretch of the imagination was there a pandemic. Yet we were told there was one and it justified the current emergency status. It was simply hype.

Why the secrecy, and seemingly haphazard nature of the jab injury reporting schemes?

Why the demonization of Hdx and Iver? Where were the WHO on this?

Where are the deaths? Why the constant lying over deaths and data?

Why the refusal of MSM to allow debate?

Strange Dr Mullis should die as he did, and his PCR test fraudulently used right from the get go.

Why the blocking of any alternative view on the major social media platforms?

Too many blocks. Too many reversals. Too much hypocrisy. Too many lies. Too much bad history.

Is this the evidence you mentioned? If not could you please share what evidence you have that the vaccine was designed to infect others 

[JohninDublin]

6 hours ago, snapdragon said:

If people understood what actuality happens when a jab is administered they wouldn't have one.

I understand that smallpox was eradicated trough vaccination, apart from the samples in a couple of labs. If it were to escape the lab and come anywhere near me, I would happy stand in line for a jab.

[SnapDragon]

Just now, JohninDubin said:

I understand that smallpox was eradicated trough vaccination, apart from the samples in a couple of labs. If it were to escape the lab and come anywhere near me, I would happy stand in line for a jab.

I don't agree John.

The plumber rather than the doctor eradicated small pox.

[JohninDublin]

6 hours ago, snapdragon said:

.Can't speak about the Russian, Cuban and Chinese ones. Not really sure what they do, except what we are told they do.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01813-2

This is from the highly respected Science Mag, Nature.

Headline: Mounting evidence suggests Sputnik COVID vaccine is safe and effective.

[Stocky]

9 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

The plumber rather than the doctor eradicated small pox.

That might be said of cholera, not small pox

[SnapDragon]

1 minute ago, Stocky said:

That might be said of cholera, not small pox

I've put a decent size post on 'What makes you ill', that includes smallpox.

[JohninDublin]

5 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

Sinovac and Sinopharm are Chinese covid-vaccines but are made with 'traditional' vaccine-technology.  So you are less of a Guinea-pig when using those ones, instead of the four emergency-approved (read experimental) Big Four ones.

Though I am pro-vax, I would ask, did you hear about a previous Chinese vax against Dengue that was given to kids in Phils, which led to a number of deaths being reported? The vax has since been withdrawn.

The reason I ask is that I have for sometime held a view that there are two manufacturing standards in China. The first is that when they act as outsource businesses such as Apple, Everything is done to Apple's spec. 

The second, is "If it's good enough for 1.4 Bn Chinese, it's good enough for the rest of the world" and is often sub-standard. Would the Chinese baulk at the idea of using people as guinea pigs? I think not.

[BlueSphinx]

15 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

I've put a decent size post on 'What makes you ill', that includes smallpox.

For those interested in that post, here the link to the episode of the What Makes You Ill thread, addressing smallpox.

https://thethaiger.com/talk/topic/1660-what-makes-you-ill/?do=findComment&comment=8556

[HolyCowCm]

42 minutes ago, JohninDubin said:

I do wish that people would stop referring to the Chinese as Communists. They gave up on Commuism about 30 years ago. For those who want to tell me that they call themselves Communists, I would remind you that the Nazis called themselves National Socialists and then set about mass murdering Socialists.

Three letters for you: CCP. Anyway I have zero respect and liking for them. The people are a different story. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by HolyCowCm

[JohninDublin]

3 hours ago, DiJoDavO said:

The reporting on Covid frightens people also more than it actually should. 

But maybe we almost agree. Reports on Covid are 100% sure caused by Covid. But vaccines just 'maybe' caused deaths of people with underlying health problems. Why not look at it in the same way, OR maybe treat Covid in the way they treat the vaccine by not frightening people about how bad Covid is? 

Approximately 100 children (under 18) per million are abducted in the UK each year, Most are returned safely to their families. Approximately 34 people per million will die in traffic accidents. These are common every day fears. Averaging covid deaths over 18 months, gives you 1200 deaths per mill. If people are terrified about the first two events, should they be less concerned about the third?

[Paco]

I will never take 2 different vaccines,  the vaccine itself is already a risk why make it even more dangerous then it has to be.  

[SnapDragon]

1 hour ago, dj230 said:

Is this the evidence you mentioned? If not could you please share what evidence you have that the vaccine was designed to infect others 

 Revelation 13: 16 to 18

How's that for starters?

[AdamX]

10 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

i would rather die than pollute my body with communist Chinese Sinovac vaccine filth.  

But it was the AZ vaccine, not the Chinese one that caused the death?

[JohninDublin]

3 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

> https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports

Your graphic leaves out a hell of a lot of info, especially what constitutes a "reaction".

However, lets dig into what we can know. The day the first vax was given in the UK, there were 617 CV deaths reported. The 7 day rolling average on that day was 427 deaths or about 1 per each 160k of population. There are 1470 deaths reported, which MAY be linked to vaccines. Thats about 6 per day since we started vaxxing.

The current 7 day moving average is 49. It had been as low as 6 until Delta came along and screwed things up. There have been 80 mill jabs adminstered to date. 44 mill have had 1 jab, and 36 mill both. That works out at about 19 people per mill May have died from the Vax in 8 months. Compare that to an average of 7000 per month who have died from CV in the past 18 months. Just under 1000 have died from CV in the past calendar month. All the stats I see are suggesting that the vax is saving many lives.

I mentioned an average of 7k deaths per month since this started, What I didn't mention was that due to the vaccine lag which did not start to kick in until Feb, the average was actually 10k deaths per month, and since then deaths have declined to an average of 1200 per month since Feb.

I don't know about you but I suspect that the vax may be responsible for this.

[JohninDublin]

2 hours ago, gummy said:

Are you a relative of David Ickx ? 

Jackie Ickx, or David Icke (555)

[JohninDublin]

2 hours ago, MikeTexas said:

In the US we have a database that list every adverse reaction and death after a vaccine - even if they died in a car wreck.  If it happened so after taking the vaccine it has to be listed and investigated.  They then go back and investigate to see what was the true cause of death.  Proximity to the vaccine shot is not conclusive evidence of a causal relation. 

Are you talking about VAERS? My understanding is that all it does is list reports. It does not have the capability to actually investigate these. So far there have been over 9k reported cases of deaths for which vax has been blamed. Clearly these cases take time to investigate and you can be pretty sure that there are not 9k unburied corpses awaiting autopsy, which is the only real way to investigate.

Not a reference to yourself, but the VAERS site does attract more than it's fair share of anti-vax nutjobs. Many of these claim that VAERS only report only 1% of events. I somehow think that if 900k had died from vaxxing, we might have heard about it by now.

One case that I enjoy reporting from VAERS is that person who claimed that it led to them catching Herpes. I could be wrong, but I'm inclined to believe that someone was "playing away" and caught Herpes through this route. Then when they gave it to their loved one, blamed it on the vax. I can well imagine the innocent victim in all this saying, "We need to report this to VAERS immediately".

[DiJoDavO]

2 hours ago, snapdragon said:

Many are in the school of thought that these gene therapies (vaccines) are there for the good of the populace. To somehow rescue the world from a dastardly peril. There is too much evidence, especially with the US Military involvement since the early 2000s, for me to agree with that.

Fort Detrick (US) and Porton Down (UK) had connections to more than one vax manufacturer; the ones that are now providing the world with their magical concoctions. But from my standpoint, I see quite clearly that the aim for some years now, has been to get an annual jab/shot into everyone from 12 to100. And that takes us even further way from the 'terrain' principal of treating the cause of an illness; not the symptom.

For me it is a complete fraud. Where does this virus exist? Plenty of computer generated images, but where is the actual proof? I've not see any.

From October 2019, what is happening right now has been planned. Just as a starter, Moderna had not been involved in medicine, but suddenly it was promoted by Dr Fauci in November 2019; "Moderna would be big in 2020". How could he know unless there was fishy things afoot? Then we are talking about the very dodgy gain-of-function research. And the dozens of patents that the CDC has control of.

Nothing about this makes sense. Why was there a medical state of emergency in the US, that allowed the jabs to be rolled out so quickly; and without trials as we all now know? By no stretch of the imagination was there a pandemic. Yet we were told there was one and it justified the current emergency status. It was simply hype.

Why the secrecy, and seemingly haphazard nature of the jab injury reporting schemes?

Why the demonization of Hdx and Iver? Where were the WHO on this?

Where are the deaths? Why the constant lying over deaths and data?

Why the refusal of MSM to allow debate?

Strange Dr Mullis should die as he did, and his PCR test fraudulently used right from the get go.

Why the blocking of any alternative view on the major social media platforms?

Too many blocks. Too many reversals. Too much hypocrisy. Too many lies. Too much bad history.

I do agree with you on some points. If you take a step back and look at it for what it is and all the reactions, there's definitely something going on. Normally I'm not a conspiracy guy, but it's quite obvious that at least some people are lying for some reason. 

[DiJoDavO]

1 hour ago, JohninDubin said:

Approximately 100 children (under 18) per million are abducted in the UK each year, Most are returned safely to their families. Approximately 34 people per million will die in traffic accidents. These are common every day fears. Averaging covid deaths over 18 months, gives you 1200 deaths per mill. If people are terrified about the first two events, should they be less concerned about the third?

Ssshhh.... Or else they will ban traffic and ban having children.

[JohninDublin]

1 hour ago, snapdragon said:

Can't agree with you there John. Every person in receipt of an AZ jab will get blood clots.

For some it will be nothing that their strong healthy body cannot deal with. Others will get sick. Others will get very sick. And some will die.

AZ is not the only jab that causes clotting.

To begin with, where is your evidence that "Every person in receipt of an AZ jab will get blood clots."? 

Next my OP was about the untruth told by Blue sphinx about the AZ jab being 100% safe.

Then, your suggestion about strong healthy bodies beating the effects of blood clotting. You are aware i take it, that those suffering most from this who are AZ patients, are under 30? If it's about a strong healthy body, why is not causing the same problem in thr over-40's?

Finally, I never said that clotting was restricted to AZ. I merely pointed out to Sphinx, reports that he should have known about from his vax-sceptic researches.