Despite warning, WHO OK with Thai plan of mixing vaccines

[Thaiger]

Despite an alarming quote from the World Health Organisation’s Chief Scientist warning against mixing vaccines, a WHO representative said after that the organisation is not opposed to Thailand’s mix and match strategy. With the efficacy of the Sinovac vaccine reduced as the Delta variant of Covid-19 becomes the dominant strain in Thailand, officials have approved a plan to administer booster shots of the AstraZeneca vaccine to those who had received 2 doses of Sinovac already, beginning with healthcare workers most at risk of exposure. Dr Soumya Swaminathan, the WHO Chief Scientist had highlighted the danger of mixing vaccines as very […]

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[BookShe]

Sure they approve this. Since there are no studies in this regard, there is a few million guinea pig volunteer in Thailand to participate in this experiment. I can only hope that Thailand was asking some favor in return. A few million good vaccines maybe?

[mic]

In my opinion Sinovac and AZ is much safer than mRNA.

Nobody knows what happens with your DNA after vaccinated with mRNA vaccine.

Even experts are not sure what will happen.

 

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, Thaiger said:

Despite an alarming quote from the World Health Organisation’s Chief Scientist warning against mixing vaccines, a WHO representative said after that the organisation is not opposed to Thailand’s mix and match strategy.

Maybe because the "alarming quote" was badly mis-represented and taken out of context.

 

What she was talking about as "a bit of a dangerous trend"  very was individuals deciding  for themselves on mixing and matching:

“It’s a little bit of a dangerous trend here. We are in a data-free, evidence-free zone as far as mix and match. It will be a chaotic situation in countries if citizens start deciding when and who will be taking a second, a third and a fourth dose.”

 

She even clarified it the next day:

"Individuals should not decide for themselves, public health agencies can, based on available data"

 

It was simply widespread, poor reporting which was repeated here.

[Stonker]

22 minutes ago, mic said:

Nobody knows what happens with your DNA after vaccinated with mRNA vaccine.

Even experts are not sure what will happen.

Not correct.  Absolutely not correct.

 

The experts do know, and they've  said repeatedly and consistently that mRNA vaccines cannot affect DNA - that it's simply impossible.

 

Some people just don't want to accept that, though.

[JohninDublin]

I think this is the WHO saying, "Sinovax is so crap, vax matching can hardly make the situation worse".

[BookShe]

23 minutes ago, mic said:

In my opinion Sinovac and AZ is much safer than mRNA.

Nobody knows what happens with your DNA after vaccinated with mRNA vaccine.

Even experts are not sure what will happen.

Are you an expert? RNA can't penetrate the DNA. If you go outside, the Sun can change your DNA in 10 minutes a lot more than RNA in a thousand years. Try to throw an apple through a concrete wall. The apple is the RNA a the wall is your DNA. Being said that, it might be true that Sino or AZ is safer. But not because RNA changes your DNA. :)

[BookShe]

6 minutes ago, JohninDubin said:

I think this is the WHO saying, "Sinovax is so crap, vax matching can hardly make the situation worse".

Thank you for the interpretation. :)))))

[BlueSphinx]

6 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Not correct.  Absolutely not correct.

The experts do know, and they've  said repeatedly and consistently that mRNA vaccines cannot affect DNA - that it's simply impossible.

Some people just don't want to accept that, though.

As usual a play with words to cloud the issue.  Even if correct that the mRNA vaccines cannot affect your DNA, the result of an mRNA jab is that you have permanently screwed up the delicate mechanism that is your immune system.  Time will tell what the consequences will be of such reckless experimentation.

[MikeTexas]

56 minutes ago, BookShe said:

Sure they approve this. Since there are no studies in this regard, there is a few million guinea pig volunteer in Thailand to participate in this experiment. I can only hope that Thailand was asking some favor in return. A few million good vaccines maybe?

Spain, Germany, and Canada (and maybe more) are already mixing vaccines and have been for some time.  Thailand could hardly be considered a guinea pig when they are merely contemplating the idea that others have instituted months ago.  

 

40 minutes ago, mic said:

In my opinion Sinovac and AZ is much safer than mRNA.

Nobody knows what happens with your DNA after vaccinated with mRNA vaccine.

Even experts are not sure what will happen.

Actually they do - I would suggest trying to read up on it a little.  Being informed would probably make you feel more comfortable about the mRNA vaccines.  Brief summary:  they do nothing to your DNA.  

[BookShe]

1 minute ago, BlueSphinx said:

As usual a play with words to cloud the issue.  Even if correct that the mRNA vaccines cannot affect your DNA, the result of an mRNA jab is that you have permanently screwed up the delicate mechanism that is your immune system.  Time will tell what the consequences will be of such reckless experimentation.

If you say that in your opinion AZ or Sino is safer, nobody is going to argue with you. It's your opinion. However, if you make a claim that Mrna vaccines aren't safe because it messes with your DNA it's not an opinion any longer, but a scientific statement. If you have proof. Let's see it. Will, it screws up your immune system in the long term? There is just NO evidence to this claim. 

You are making a statement: "  the result of an mRNA jab is that you have permanently screwed up the delicate mechanism that is your immune system." so please let us see the evidence.

[BookShe]

7 minutes ago, MikeTexas said:

Spain, Germany, and Canada (and maybe more) are already mixing vaccines and have been for some time.  Thailand could hardly be considered a guinea pig when they are merely contemplating the idea that others have instituted months ago.  

Correct, Hungary is also announced this. However, it is still uncharted territory.

[Objectivance]

16 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

As usual a play with words to cloud the issue.  Even if correct that the mRNA vaccines cannot affect your DNA, the result of an mRNA jab is that you have permanently screwed up the delicate mechanism that is your immune system.  Time will tell what the consequences will be of such reckless experimentation.

He's like that obnoxious bird that no one within ear shot can stand. BAWK NUH UH NUH UH SQUAWK THAT'S BEEN FACT CHECKED BY SNOPES BAWK, SQUAWK. 

[Objectivance]

16 minutes ago, MikeTexas said:

 

Actually they do - I would suggest trying to read up on it a little.  Being informed would probably make you feel more comfortable about the mRNA vaccines.  Brief summary:  they do nothing to your DNA.  

It's your rebuttal, why don't you provide irrefutable evidence to your claim instead of telling him to "read up?" 

Brief summary: your sources are just as nonsensically useless as the ones saying that mrna tech is guaranteed death or disfigurement. 

 

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Objectivance said:

He's like that obnoxious bird that no one within ear shot can stand. BAWK NUH UH NUH UH SQUAWK THAT'S BEEN FACT CHECKED BY SNOPES BAWK, SQUAWK. 

Snopes is paid by big pharma

[Guest]

Spike protein from mRNA vaxx is crossing cell blood barrier and accumulating in organs like ovaries brain liver testicles. There's Pfizer own paper about it. 

Sinovac vaxed doctors drops like flies when exposed to Delta, we could see that with Thai nurses and Indonesian near 500 doctors dead.

Best vaccine is ur immune system

[Stonker]

28 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

As usual a play with words to cloud the issue.  Even if correct that the mRNA vaccines cannot affect your DNA, the result of an mRNA jab is that you have permanently screwed up the delicate mechanism that is your immune system.  .

Not a "play with words" at all.

 

That was the claim made, and repeatedly made, and it's crap - complete, unadulterated crap.

 

There is no "if".

 

If you'd said "may have" affected your immune system rather than "have" then I'd have toned down my comments and maybe even empathised.

 

You didn't though, and instead you made a claim which is completely unsupported by either scientific fact or expert opinion.

[Paco]

Crazy, is like you ask a thai taxi to fix your electricity wire...some tape around it and fixed 

[PhayakPeter]

Thai Guinea pigs then. 

[Stonker]

3 minutes ago, Xaos said:

Spike protein from mRNA vaxx is crossing cell blood barrier and accumulating in organs like ovaries brain liver testicles. There's Pfizer own paper about it. 

inovac vaxed doctors drops like flies when exposed to Delta, we could see that with Thai nurses and Indonesian near 500 doctors dead.

Best vaccine is ur immune system

You're confusing two totally different issues and two totally different vaccines - Sinovac and mRNA vaccines.

 

Whether that's deliberate or just misinformed, I don't know.

 

8 minutes ago, Xaos said:

There's Pfizer own paper about it. 

Where, please?

 

Not just the carefully edited part in some blog, but the "paper" you're referring to.

 

Please.

[Cqman]

One thing seems sure, mixing vaccines voids any responsability of producers, whatever happens next.

[9S_]

52 minutes ago, MikeTexas said:

Spain, Germany, and Canada (and maybe more) are already mixing vaccines and have been for some time. 

Angels Merkel took mixed vaccines

[thai3]

4 minutes ago, 9S_ said:

Angels Merkel took mixed vaccines

Yeah but she's a vampire

[Stonker]

26 minutes ago, Objectivance said:

It's your rebuttal, why don't you provide irrefutable evidence to your claim instead of telling him to "read up?" 

Brief summary: your sources are just as nonsensically useless as the ones saying that mrna tech is guaranteed death or disfigurement. 

@mic made the claim, followed by a couple of others.

 

It's not up to @MikeTexas to prove them wrong!

 

If someone claims the moon's made of cheese then it's up to them to prove it, not up to others to waste their time proving it isn't.  That's how these people get away with this sort of thing, trying to get others to  waste their time proving a negative while side-stepping ever having to justify what they say.

[Uli]

Which vaccins to mix?