Pattaya still eyes September reopening despite Covid-19 surge

[Ted]

As there's only one thing in life that is of 100% certainty; we will all die.

So it's everyone's choice to do it scarred and unhappy or die  knowing that all has been  to be free and happy.  

Too sad that the world has managed to scare people of this (read, enforce control) when there are more people dying of poverty- and health  related issues. 

[Chaimai]

1 hour ago, JamesE said:

The problem is it's not working elsewhere. Cases around the world are up. The US is more than doubling every two weeks, deaths are now starting to follow. France, the same. Spain is much worse. All of the decisions being made are based on information dating to the beginning of the pandemic, the new information is different but that hasn't shown in either the policies - herd immunity is now up around 90%, not 70% - nor the messaging.

The goal - mostly unspoken - since the beginning was not to save lives, but to "flatten the curve", spread those deaths out so as not to overwhelm the healthcare systems. This would allow people who would not otherwise die - from heart attack, cancer, whatever - to not do so. None of the vaccines are 100%. Statistically you'll still eventually get COVID, but the vaccine has bent the odds in your favor. You've traded a 20% chance of getting seriously ill or dying for a 10% chance. I'll take those odds.

 

 

The case numbers are largely irrelevant. 

 

With full vaccination Covid gets effectively downgraded to flu as it's affects are significantly reduced. The world can live with that.

 

Did the UK really think that there wouldn't be a spike in young male cases after EURO 2020.....no, of course the didn't.  Will the UK defer the 'Freedom Day date of 19th July?.....no. of course they won't..

[Paco]

On 7/15/2021 at 8:34 PM, Chaimai said:

They had it under control here - and even now the numbers are mainly localised clusters. Infections only became more widely spread due to people traveling at Songkran (when they were advised not to) and returning construction industry workers etc from Bangkok.  But you are absolutely right, the reason that it works elsewhere is vaccines and that has been the major screw-up here.

Thailand has a 0.81% Covid mortality rate. That means that 99.19% of people contracting CV19 survive it; it isn't the plague and vaccination may not prevent you getting it. However, vaccination is likely to take that mortality rate close to zero. Between now and then the country can be opened up. 

What concerns me a lot us exactly what you said: vaccination may not prevent you getting it, thing is I am diabetic and so I will never have a piece of mind even vaccinated.. I see many people die that get it and are diabetics..

 

Regarding Songkran they just had to skip it and that is it, but no they just let it go on, since when a Thai listen? 1 out of 10000 maybe

[JamesE]

9 hours ago, Chaimai said:

The case numbers are largely irrelevant.

Except as a predictor of deaths beginning about two weeks later.

I agree, although the whole "just the flu" narrative isn't exactly correct as they are completely different diseases. Very few people suffer from long term neurological, cardiac, or kidney problems from the flu. My biggest concern is that, globally, vaccination rates are decreasing so - for the next year or two, at least - we're going to have a large percentage of the world acting as a COVID reservoir spitting out variants which can then test their evolutionary fitness against a very large population of the world with immunity to earlier variants. If you throw the pasta against the wall long enough, something's going to stick.

Since this scenario will require re-vaccination or booster shots and those shots will always lag the disease's progression, we get stuck in a loop. But, no worries, it's "just the flu" and the world really could use an extra half-million people dying a year.

[vlad]

On 7/15/2021 at 2:34 PM, Chaimai said:

They had it under control here - and even now the numbers are mainly localised clusters. Infections only became more widely spread due to people traveling at Songkran (when they were advised not to) and returning construction industry workers etc from Bangkok.  But you are absolutely right, the reason that it works elsewhere is vaccines and that has been the major screw-up here.

Thailand has a 0.81% Covid mortality rate. That means that 99.19% of people contracting CV19 survive it; it isn't the plague and vaccination may not prevent you getting it. However, vaccination is likely to take that mortality rate close to zero. Between now and then the country can be opened up. 

Chaimai you forgot got to mention the HiSo's that shot off down to phuket during a lock down and booked some top clubs for there mate's bringing Covid with them. did we ever hear what punishment was dished out to them ??

[Chaimai]

8 hours ago, vlad said:

Chaimai you forgot got to mention the HiSo's that shot off down to phuket during a lock down and booked some top clubs for there mate's bringing Covid with them. did we ever hear what punishment was dished out to them ??

Good point, same with Hua Hin. Plus the Farang teachers who went to the full moon party.

 

Those such events kicked off what Thailand called their third wave, I think. Then Songkran pushed things along.....even all that was controllable....Bangkok screwed it.

 

[bushav8r]

Long thread...I am hesitant to read...did anything change?

[Chaimai]

8 hours ago, JamesE said:

Except as a predictor of deaths beginning about two weeks later.

I agree, although the whole "just the flu" narrative isn't exactly correct as they are completely different diseases. Very few people suffer from long term neurological, cardiac, or kidney problems from the flu. My biggest concern is that, globally, vaccination rates are decreasing so - for the next year or two, at least - we're going to have a large percentage of the world acting as a COVID reservoir spitting out variants which can then test their evolutionary fitness against a very large population of the world with immunity to earlier variants. If you throw the pasta against the wall long enough, something's going to stick.

Since this scenario will require re-vaccination or booster shots and those shots will always lag the disease's progression, we get stuck in a loop. But, no worries, it's "just the flu" and the world really could use an extra half-million people dying a year.

 

I didn't mean to underplay the affects of Covid.....the flu analogy was to suggest that vaccinated people are far less likely to suffer severe or long-term affects. Then for normal healthy people life usually goes on. The vulnerable will always need some protection.

 

I maybe should mention that I own a crematorium and I have seen what CV19 did to our numbers (some weeks +50% but now virtually back to seasonal norms). The worst flu seasons never had anywhere near that impact.

 

At the end of the day the world has got to live with Covid and it's successors..

[Pete424]

On 7/15/2021 at 4:34 PM, Chaimai said:

They had it under control here - and even now the numbers are mainly localised clusters. Infections only became more widely spread due to people traveling at Songkran (when they were advised not to) and returning construction industry workers etc from Bangkok.  But you are absolutely right, the reason that it works elsewhere is vaccines and that has been the major screw-up here.

Thailand has a 0.81% Covid mortality rate. That means that 99.19% of people contracting CV19 survive it; it isn't the plague and vaccination may not prevent you getting it. However, vaccination is likely to take that mortality rate close to zero. Between now and then the country can be opened up. 

I disagree, once the cluster started in Thong Lor, there was no control. In my opinion the real threat was the border crossings and they never had any control of that from day one.

They hoped the nation would be ok, but never closed down the borders, when they were initially discussing ASQ they mentioned migrant Myanmar workers and yet what did they do....nothing. It was only a matter of time..... that isn't control....that's just hope...

[SickBuffalo]

6 hours ago, bushav8r said:

Long thread...I am hesitant to read...did anything change?

Most of us are worried about long covid, you're worried about long threads?

Nothing changed. The mayor of a tourism-dependent town says they are going to reopen up in September, reality has different plans.

[SickBuffalo]

6 hours ago, Chaimai said:

I maybe should mention that I own a crematorium

That is cool AF!

[Chaimai]

17 minutes ago, Pete424 said:

I disagree, once the cluster started in Thong Lor, there was no control. In my opinion the real threat was the border crossings and they never had any control of that from day one.

They hoped the nation would be ok, but never closed down the borders, when they were initially discussing ASQ they mentioned migrant Myanmar workers and yet what did they do....nothing. It was only a matter of time..... that isn't control....that's just hope...

 

I also disagree, they DID close down the borders. Unfortunately, in true Thai style the borders were porous and the essential black labour was allowed to cross.

 

I also think THAT the Delta variant bit them on the ar5e. They were sailing along nicely, apart from tourism life was pretty normal - and vaccines were not a priority...........

[Chaimai]

7 minutes ago, SickBuffalo said:

That is cool AF!

 

 

There are certainly worse businesses to be in at the moment......

[Fester]

On 7/15/2021 at 5:33 PM, Objectivance said:

Correct. They know the shit has long dried on the blades of the proverbial fan and it's now just a matter of trying to stall the blowback. 

Problem is after it dries some more, it cracks, breaks off and flies even further!

[Chaimai]

15 hours ago, Paco said:

What concerns me a lot us exactly what you said: vaccination may not prevent you getting it, thing is I am diabetic and so I will never have a piece of mind even vaccinated.. I see many people die that get it and are diabetics..

Regarding Songkran they just had to skip it and that is it, but no they just let it go on, since when a Thai listen? 1 out of 10000 maybe

 

 

Yes, the government got the blame for that one. I am sure they could have handled it better but they came out and said "don't travel..." you can respect parents and the Songkran tradition from afar and online etc, etc.

 

 

Governments don't spread Covid, people do.

 

Note: I am no fan boy of Prayut but I do have sympathy for the  authorities in any country trying to deal with this unprecedented pandemic.

[vlad]

26 minutes ago, Pete424 said:

I disagree, once the cluster started in Thong Lor, there was no control. In my opinion the real threat was the border crossings and they never had any control of that from day one.

They hoped the nation would be ok, but never closed down the borders, when they were initially discussing ASQ they mentioned migrant Myanmar workers and yet what did they do....nothing. It was only a matter of time..... that isn't control....that's just hope...

The RTP just busted of over 20 birthday guest in a hotel in Thong lor district for Hi-sos again lets see what happens to these could of been worse the Birthday cake was not touched, but the drugs were confiscated.

[bushav8r]

15 hours ago, SickBuffalo said:

Most of us are worried about long covid, you're worried about long threads?

Nothing changed. The mayor of a tourism-dependent town says they are going to reopen up in September, reality has different plans.

Most of us have never heard about long covid.

[JamesE]

15 hours ago, SickBuffalo said:

Most of us are worried about long covid, you're worried about long threads?

This is one of the things that gets lost in the conversation. It's not about getting really sick and then recovering or dying. There's a host of add-ons that people with mild to moderate disease hang on to for as long as it's been since they were "sick". Some of these are also developing later with asymptomatic cases. I, for one, would not want to be without a sense of taste or smell for a couple of years as I finally healed from an infection.

[EdwardV]

15 hours ago, SickBuffalo said:

The mayor of a tourism-dependent town says they are going to reopen up in September, reality has different plans.

Most of us thought that about Phuket too, yet they pushed it through anyway. Hopefully the opening gets postponed, but I wouldn’t put it past them to push it through again. 

[Chaimai]

2 hours ago, bushav8r said:

Most of us have never heard about long covid.

 

 

I think you will find that most of us have.

 

Some have even heard of bogans !   ;) :)

[9S_]

Cough cough BS cough cough

[SickBuffalo]

8 hours ago, bushav8r said:

Most of us have never heard about long covid.

This is the hidden cost of PornHub. Even after 18 months of pandemic, there are still a handful people out there who have not picked up even the most basic information about what is happening to the human race.

Other than a coma, the only thing that could cause this unfortunate man to have never heard about long covid is a porn addiction so severe that is soaking up all of time that he might otherwise spend on listening to the news or talking to other humans.