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Thailand’s Cyber Crime Investigation Bureau (CCIB) arrested a German pedophile for shooting and distributing child pornography involving his teenage stepdaughter from his home in Pattaya. The 76 year old perverted expat, Wilfried Wilms, was taken into custody on Saturday, March 18 following an alert from the United Kingdom’s National Crime Agency, which traced child pornography …

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[Ramanathan.P]

This is only tip of the ice-berg. There are many hiding behind such curtains. This mainly happens as long as the family gets money to enjoy life, no question is asked policy in the society. 

[TedG]

He belongs in a Thai jail.

[Aussieroaming]

Maggot 

[RNikoley]

If sexual activity with a youth under an arbitrary age-of-consent law—making it a crime against the law—is called "pedophilia," what does one call the crime against nature, where the victim is pre-pubescent?

My Thai girlfriend of over three years, now 30, readily admits she pursued and seduced a 33 yr-old man when she was 14 (Sisaket, Isan), out of curiosity, see what she could do, had noticed how men looked at her, had heard from friends at school "who boom boom," etc., yada yada. She did not feel coerced or exploited in the slightest and in fact pursued the relationship, married him at 16, and had two girls at 16 and 17.

And it's all been fantastic. Her two girls are great, now 13 and 12 (yesterday). Sure glad some lawman bolstered by moralistic Westerners living in glass houses and casting stones didn't lock up their dad. He passed away at 45 from liver cancer, which is bad enough.

I'm not defending this guy, and there's plenty else to go on condemning his acts. I'm just drawing a distinction between laws societies create and nature (your God?) which basically ordains that a female is prepped and ready for sexual activity at around 13 years old. Having nudie pics taken of you at the age of 15 and distributed could certainly be horrifying if you weren't willing, a little Lolita, but is it really in the same universe as the 8 yr old who gets penetrated by mommies BF?

Of all the countries on Earth, the only 1st world country that seems to recognize that puberty bright line is Japan, where the age of consent is 13 and has been forever (I lived there for 5 years in the 80s, never noticed a problem). So, are Japanese men who have sex with 13 year-olds in Japan, pedophiles, Bob Scott?

Serious [and valid] question, especially since you use the word four times in such a short article, which seems a bit virtue-signalish, if you ask me.

Japan is trying to raise the AOC to 16, but it will only apply for age differences greater than 5 years. So, if she's 13, and you're 17 yrs, 364 days, A-OK. One more day, you're a PEDOPHILE!!!

Is that it?

In the US, it's state-by-state, from about 15 as I recall, up to 18. So, you're good to go in one state, a pedo in another.

Really, nature already provided a bright line, and that's puberty.

In terms of force or coercion, there are already plenty of laws on the books for that, and they don't have age limitations.

[Rookiescot]

28 minutes ago, RNikoley said:

If sexual activity with a youth under an arbitrary age-of-consent law—making it a crime against the law—is called "pedophilia," what does one call the crime against nature, where the victim is pre-pubescent?

My Thai girlfriend of over three years, now 30, readily admits she pursued and seduced a 33 yr-old man when she was 14 (Sisaket, Isan), out of curiosity, see what she could do, had noticed how men looked at her, had heard from friends at school "who boom boom," etc., yada yada. She did not feel coerced or exploited in the slightest and in fact pursued the relationship, married him at 16, and had two girls at 16 and 17.

And it's all been fantastic. Her two girls are great, now 13 and 12 (yesterday). Sure glad some lawman bolstered by moralistic Westerners living in glass houses and casting stones didn't lock up their dad. He passed away at 45 from liver cancer, which is bad enough.

I'm not defending this guy, and there's plenty else to go on condemning his acts. I'm just drawing a distinction between laws societies create and nature (your God?) which basically ordains that a female is prepped and ready for sexual activity at around 13 years old. Having nudie pics taken of you at the age of 15 and distributed could certainly be horrifying if you weren't willing, a little Lolita, but is it really in the same universe as the 8 yr old who gets penetrated by mommies BF?

Of all the countries on Earth, the only 1st world country that seems to recognize that puberty bright line is Japan, where the age of consent is 13 and has been forever (I lived there for 5 years in the 80s, never noticed a problem). So, are Japanese men who have sex with 13 year-olds in Japan, pedophiles, Bob Scott?

Serious [and valid] question, especially since you use the word four times in such a short article, which seems a bit virtue-signalish, if you ask me.

Japan is trying to raise the AOC to 16, but it will only apply for age differences greater than 5 years. So, if she's 13, and you're 17 yrs, 364 days, A-OK. One more day, you're a PEDOPHILE!!!

Is that it?

In the US, it's state-by-state, from about 15 as I recall, up to 18. So, you're good to go in one state, a pedo in another.

Really, nature already provided a bright line, and that's puberty.

In terms of force or coercion, there are already plenty of laws on the books for that, and they don't have age limitations.

The kid does not need to understand the law. The adult does.

And the adult was breaking it.

[Mamachigawa]

On 3/22/2023 at 12:09 AM, TedG said:

He belongs in a Thai jail.

Yes in jail, for time before date of exucution of death.

[MrStretch]

On 3/23/2023 at 3:55 PM, RNikoley said:

If sexual activity with a youth under an arbitrary age-of-consent law—making it a crime against the law—is called "pedophilia," what does one call the crime against nature, where the victim is pre-pubescent?

My Thai girlfriend of over three years, now 30, readily admits she pursued and seduced a 33 yr-old man when she was 14 (Sisaket, Isan), out of curiosity, see what she could do, had noticed how men looked at her, had heard from friends at school "who boom boom," etc., yada yada. She did not feel coerced or exploited in the slightest and in fact pursued the relationship, married him at 16, and had two girls at 16 and 17.

And it's all been fantastic. Her two girls are great, now 13 and 12 (yesterday). Sure glad some lawman bolstered by moralistic Westerners living in glass houses and casting stones didn't lock up their dad. He passed away at 45 from liver cancer, which is bad enough.

I'm not defending this guy, and there's plenty else to go on condemning his acts. I'm just drawing a distinction between laws societies create and nature (your God?) which basically ordains that a female is prepped and ready for sexual activity at around 13 years old. Having nudie pics taken of you at the age of 15 and distributed could certainly be horrifying if you weren't willing, a little Lolita, but is it really in the same universe as the 8 yr old who gets penetrated by mommies BF?

Of all the countries on Earth, the only 1st world country that seems to recognize that puberty bright line is Japan, where the age of consent is 13 and has been forever (I lived there for 5 years in the 80s, never noticed a problem). So, are Japanese men who have sex with 13 year-olds in Japan, pedophiles, Bob Scott?

Serious [and valid] question, especially since you use the word four times in such a short article, which seems a bit virtue-signalish, if you ask me.

Japan is trying to raise the AOC to 16, but it will only apply for age differences greater than 5 years. So, if she's 13, and you're 17 yrs, 364 days, A-OK. One more day, you're a PEDOPHILE!!!

Is that it?

In the US, it's state-by-state, from about 15 as I recall, up to 18. So, you're good to go in one state, a pedo in another.

Really, nature already provided a bright line, and that's puberty.

In terms of force or coercion, there are already plenty of laws on the books for that, and they don't have age limitations.

Correct on all accounts.  Well reasoned and well expressed.  Thanks for taking the time to write this.

[Vigo]

76 years and  exploiting the someone who is most likely intellectually limited , vulnerable,  coerced, and without proper social support. Oh yes, a victimless crime indeed.

[Havana]

On 3/22/2023 at 2:09 PM, TedG said:

He belongs in a Thai jail.

Is that before or after he’s been castrated?

[Karolyn]

On 3/23/2023 at 3:55 PM, RNikoley said:

If sexual activity with a youth under an arbitrary age-of-consent law—making it a crime against the law—is called "pedophilia," what does one call the crime against nature, where the victim is pre-pubescent?

My Thai girlfriend of over three years, now 30, readily admits she pursued and seduced a 33 yr-old man when she was 14 (Sisaket, Isan), out of curiosity, see what she could do, had noticed how men looked at her, had heard from friends at school "who boom boom," etc., yada yada. She did not feel coerced or exploited in the slightest and in fact pursued the relationship, married him at 16, and had two girls at 16 and 17.

And it's all been fantastic. Her two girls are great, now 13 and 12 (yesterday). Sure glad some lawman bolstered by moralistic Westerners living in glass houses and casting stones didn't lock up their dad. He passed away at 45 from liver cancer, which is bad enough.

I'm not defending this guy, and there's plenty else to go on condemning his acts. I'm just drawing a distinction between laws societies create and nature (your God?) which basically ordains that a female is prepped and ready for sexual activity at around 13 years old. Having nudie pics taken of you at the age of 15 and distributed could certainly be horrifying if you weren't willing, a little Lolita, but is it really in the same universe as the 8 yr old who gets penetrated by mommies BF?

Of all the countries on Earth, the only 1st world country that seems to recognize that puberty bright line is Japan, where the age of consent is 13 and has been forever (I lived there for 5 years in the 80s, never noticed a problem). So, are Japanese men who have sex with 13 year-olds in Japan, pedophiles, Bob Scott?

Serious [and valid] question, especially since you use the word four times in such a short article, which seems a bit virtue-signalish, if you ask me.

Japan is trying to raise the AOC to 16, but it will only apply for age differences greater than 5 years. So, if she's 13, and you're 17 yrs, 364 days, A-OK. One more day, you're a PEDOPHILE!!!

Is that it?

In the US, it's state-by-state, from about 15 as I recall, up to 18. So, you're good to go in one state, a pedo in another.

Really, nature already provided a bright line, and that's puberty.

In terms of force or coercion, there are already plenty of laws on the books for that, and they don't have age limitations.

Paedophilia is defined using the teenage growth spurt, as a reference point. Because after young people reach that point, ordinary adult minds reflexively treat them as adults. This is cross cultural, and subconscious, and includes sexual attraction to the maturity of the freshly adult faces. Thus the APA for one specifies 13 years only as the age-marker for 'teenager'.

Puberty starts before the growth spurt. In girls menarche is usually at age 12, but periods are irregular - and pregnancy unlikely - until 2 years after menarche.

Similarly the breadth of her pelvis - signalling sexual readiness - is mature the same 2 years later. (Though the pelvic opening isn't fully mature until 3 or 4 years after menarche, most girls are 'good to go' at age 14.)

Most men have spermarche, at age 13. Age 13 is thus right for defining biological adulthood in the human male. Despite stereotypes that girls grow up faster, 'proper' fertility in the human female, is slightly delayed, relative to the situation as regards the human male. In any case, adulthood is in the early teens (average 13 or 14 years). 

Most places in Japan have local laws, stipulating the A of C to be older than 13. And the push to raise the A of C there is from feminists/globalists. As in TH, cops in JP are unwilling to intervene in private, relationship matters, so it won't matter too much of they do.

The 5 years Romeo and Juliet shit is stupid - most people are only creeped out, if the older partner is old enough to be the father of the girl. This is a one sided sex bias, because cougars and shagging friends mums, are treated as a joke.

Most people's limit is prbly 10-15 years difference, for personal and social reasons. Most people would probably say, that if someone is still a minor, 25 or 30, should be the upper limit for dating or sex. No one is bothered about less than 10 years age difference.

Appropriately, because adolescence/youth stretches beyond age 20, with no single, convenient, biological end. Usually age 25 as a midpoint, but also similar ages of 22-27, are identified in scientific literature, as the age when adolescence ends.

 

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Karolyn

[Guest1]

On 3/22/2023 at 7:11 AM, Thaiger said:

The 76 year old perverted expat, Wilfried Wilms, was taken into custody on Saturday, March 18 following an alert from the United Kingdom’s National Crime Agency, which traced child pornography

Perverted, child abuser: YES!

Pedophile? If his interest is around 15: not so much!

[MrStretch]

1 hour ago, Guest1 said:

Perverted, child abuser: YES!

Pedophile? If his interest is around 15: not so much!

Reporters have followed activists' lead in describing any sexual attraction to minors as pedophilia. That's just not true.  "Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children."

In this case, it's not pedophilia, at all, but hebephilia.  "Hebephilia is the strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent children who are in early adolescence, typically ages 11–14 and showing Tanner stages 2 to 3 of physical development. It differs from pedophilia, and from ephebophilia."

"Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19." 

All definitions from Wiki

 

[Nobby]

Cannot believe so many people on here defending this sick individual. 

The girl is 15 and his step-daughter FFS. No doubt he was making money out of selling pictures, video's etc.

He is a pedophile and should be in jail until he dies, which hopefully is soon.

I know some of the arguments say we'll the age of consent is this or that but do you have no morals. I for one would never dream of going with any girl who was just over the age limit, no matter what the law of that land says.

It makes me feel sick when I see these well beyond sell by date Farang ATMs walking the street with some 20 year old hanging off their arm. 

These are my options because like other descent humans I have a set of morals and a conscious.

[Marc26]

1 hour ago, Nobby said:

Cannot believe so many people on here defending this sick individual. 

The girl is 15 and his step-daughter FFS. No doubt he was making money out of selling pictures, video's etc.

He is a pedophile and should be in jail until he dies, which hopefully is soon.

I know some of the arguments say we'll the age of consent is this or that but do you have no morals. I for one would never dream of going with any girl who was just over the age limit, no matter what the law of that land says.

It makes me feel sick when I see these well beyond sell by date Farang ATMs walking the street with some 20 year old hanging off their arm. 

These are my options because like other descent humans I have a set of morals and a conscious.

Dude it's a Thailand chat forum

 

There will always be weirdos and suspect guys on these forums

 

And there seems to 3 of them on here that always seem to comment on the underage stuff

[MrStretch]

11 hours ago, Nobby said:

It makes me feel sick when I see these well beyond sell by date Farang ATMs walking the street with some 20 year old hanging off their arm. 

These are my opinions because like other decent humans I have a set of morals and a conscience.

Exactly.  Opinions.

And your "set of morals and a conscience" are just that, yours.

[JohninDublin]

On 3/23/2023 at 8:55 AM, RNikoley said:

Japan is trying to raise the AOC to 16, but it will only apply for age differences greater than 5 years. So, if she's 13, and you're 17 yrs, 364 days, A-OK. One more day, you're a PEDOPHILE!!!

 

Paedophile is probably one of the most mis-used words in the English Language. A Paedophile is someone who wants sex with pre-pubescent children. https://www.inquirer.com/philly/blogs/healthy_kids/We-know-about-pedophiles-but-what-about-ephebophiles.html#:~:text=By now%2C most parents know,attracted to tweens and teens. 

In the case you proffer, the likelhood is that the 13 Yr old, is pubescent. That's not to say that she doesn't need protection from herself or others.

[Rookiescot]

Look it matters not the specific dictionary definition of the word pedophile. To the general public it means someone who abuses kids under the age of consent. 

This kid was under that age so her abuser is labeled a pedophile. 

If we start splitting hairs about who is or is not a pedophile we are treading dangerously close to having to call them something like a "minor attracted person" and having to excuse their actions. You can count me out of all of that political correct bollocks. 

Do people also get wound up about being called a farang? Because technically a farang is a French person.

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[MrStretch]

13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Look it matters not the specific dictionary definition of the word pedophile. To the general public it means someone who abuses kids under the age of consent.

Regardless of what the general public believes, that is factually incorrect by both definition and law.  If you want to be correct, then refer to his actions/crimes in a way to accurately reflect what he did.  He can be labeled a child abuser but he is not an actual pedophile, so the headline and the accusation in the story are incorrect.

Labels matter.

13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

If we start splitting hairs about who is or is not a pedophile we are treading dangerously close to having to call them something like a "minor attracted person" and having to excuse their actions. You can count me out of all of that political correct bollocks.

It's not about political correctness, it's about accuracy.  Accuracy matters.

13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Do people also get wound up about being called a farang? Because technically a farang is a French person.

Yes, some people do get wound up about being called a farang but I doubt it's because people think they are being called "French" but perhaps because in Thai it's often seen as an insult, or that it also means the white stuff that a bird excretes. Either way the label is incorrect (unless they are white bird excrement or hail from France, or both).

It may or not have originated as a name for the French.  "The term ‘farang‘ is a general term used by many Thais when referring to Caucasian visitors. The exact derivation isn’t clear with some experts stating that it is a contraction of the Thai word ‘farangset‘ (French) as the French were present in Siam and Indochina in the 17th Century. Others believe it pre-dates this and derives from ‘faringsi‘ (Persian) when Persian traders were prominent in the region." https://www.thaizer.com/farang-in-thailand/

That Persian connection would also seem to be a possibility according to a dictionary that is devoted to the origins of words, the Online Etymology Dictionary https://www.etymonline.com/word/farang

But I digress.  The point is, accurate language matters, in general comprehension and legal considerations. 

I am not defending him or what he did, which I hold to be both wrong and illegal. 

[Rookiescot]

14 minutes ago, MrStretch said:

Regardless of what the general public believes, that is factually incorrect by both definition and law.  If you want to be correct, then refer to his actions/crimes in a way to accurately reflect what he did.  He can be labeled a child abuser but he is not an actual pedophile, so the headline and the accusation in the story are incorrect.

Labels matter.

It's not about political correctness, it's about accuracy.  Accuracy matters.

Yes, some people do get wound up about being called a farang but I doubt it's because people think they are being called "French" but perhaps because in Thai it's often seen as an insult, or that it is also means the white stuff that a bird excretes. Either way the label is incorrect (unless they are white bird excrement or hail from France, or both).

It may or not have originated as a name for the French.  "The term ‘farang‘ is a general term used by many Thais when referring to Caucasian visitors. The exact derivation isn’t clear with some experts stating that it is a contraction of the Thai word ‘farangset‘ (French) as the French were present in Siam and Indochina in the 17th Century. Others believe it pre-dates this and derives from ‘faringsi‘ (Persian) when Persian traders were prominent in the region." https://www.thaizer.com/farang-in-thailand/

That Persian connection would also seem to be a possibility according to a dictionary that is devoted to the origins of words, the Online Etymology Dictionary https://www.etymonline.com/word/farang

But I digress.  The point is, accurate language matters, in general comprehension and legal considerations. 

I am not defending him or what he did, which I hold to be both wrong and illegal. 

Pure semantics. What matters is public perception and understanding.

 

[Marc26]

16 minutes ago, MrStretch said:

Regardless of what the general public believes, that is factually incorrect by both definition and law.  If you want to be correct, then refer to his actions/crimes in a way to accurately reflect what he did.  He can be labeled a child abuser but he is not an actual pedophile, so the headline and the accusation in the story are incorrect.

Labels matter.

It's not about political correctness, it's about accuracy.  Accuracy matters.

Yes, some people do get wound up about being called a farang but I doubt it's because people think they are being called "French" but perhaps because in Thai it's often seen as an insult, or that it is also means the white stuff that a bird excretes. Either way the label is incorrect (unless they are white bird excrement or hail from France, or both).

It may or not have originated as a name for the French.  "The term ‘farang‘ is a general term used by many Thais when referring to Caucasian visitors. The exact derivation isn’t clear with some experts stating that it is a contraction of the Thai word ‘farangset‘ (French) as the French were present in Siam and Indochina in the 17th Century. Others believe it pre-dates this and derives from ‘faringsi‘ (Persian) when Persian traders were prominent in the region." https://www.thaizer.com/farang-in-thailand/

That Persian connection would also seem to be a possibility according to a dictionary that is devoted to the origins of words, the Online Etymology Dictionary https://www.etymonline.com/word/farang

But I digress.  The point is, accurate language matters, in general comprehension and legal considerations. 

I am not defending him or what he did, which I hold to be both wrong and illegal. 

I don't mind being referred to as a "farang" by strangers 

 

But there has been a couple times my Thai family has referred to me as a "farang" and I have voiced my displeasure and explained they wouldn't want me referring to them in such a manner 

[Karolyn]

On 3/28/2023 at 3:33 PM, MrStretch said:

Reporters have followed activists' lead in describing any sexual attraction to minors as pedophilia. That's just not true.  "Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children."

In this case, it's not pedophilia, at all, but hebephilia.  "Hebephilia is the strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent children who are in early adolescence, typically ages 11–14 and showing Tanner stages 2 to 3 of physical development. It differs from pedophilia, and from ephebophilia."

"Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19." 

All definitions from Wiki

Just a chronophilia though. A 14 year old is more fertile than a granny, there is no push to pathologicise a man, who prefers attraction to grannies. 

[Karolyn]

13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Look it matters not the specific dictionary definition of the word pedophile. To the general public it means someone who abuses kids under the age of consent. 

This kid was under that age so her abuser is labeled a pedophile. 

If we start splitting hairs about who is or is not a pedophile we are treading dangerously close to having to call them something like a "minor attracted person" and having to excuse their actions. You can count me out of all of that political correct bollocks. 

Do people also get wound up about being called a farang? Because technically a farang is a French person.

There are no minor attracted people. People are attracted to mature traits if they are psychologically normal, and infantile traits, if they have the paraphilia.

Male attraction to teenage girls, is basically the same as attraction to women >20.

Another thing is pseudoscience. And the pure semantics reinforces pseudoscientific understandings, re' puberty, adolescence, childhood, adulthood.

Most young people are biologically adults, at age 14. The observant human brain is not oblivious to this fact

Edited March 31, 2023 by Karolyn

[Karolyn]

On 3/28/2023 at 8:18 PM, Marc26 said:

Dude it's a Thailand chat forum

There will always be weirdos and suspect guys on these forums

And there seems to 3 of them on here that always seem to comment on the underage stuff

Yea well Thailand. Older guys going to Thailand for younger females, is not a new phenomenon. People have noticed it going on for decades, prbly members here do it, and it merits discussion, as relates to Thai and farang life.

Peoples responses to the subject are rooted in gut feeling, half-understood science, and semantic confusions. As people debunk UFOs and the God delusion, so some of us debunk 'anti-paefophilia'. Notice my use of scare quotes, because usually it's not paedophilia in the first place, in these discussions. But behaviors that awould have been legal, for most of Western and Asian history.

Not counting the perverted elements, like taking advantage of one's own stepdaughter, or even biological daughter. But that's very distinct from 'paedophilia' with a fertile 15 year old, isn't it?

Which gets examined more, when these headlines show up, well, because of the use/abuse of the word in the headlines. Because it's subject to variants, of fair and rational opinion. And correction of misunderstandings, too

Given this stuff is tied up in a war on men - 1/2 real and 1/2 imagined/exaggerated - it isn't entirely about underage sex. But the nature of maturity, the nature of relationships, etc. For many people, Thai permissiveness in this area is a form of sanity. If they get tough on this, where will the slippery slope end? 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Karolyn