News Forum - Gary Lineker’s colleagues come out in solidarity, refuse to do MOTD

[Marble-eye]

Mr Morality puts his morals on the kitchen shelf as he takes time off to comment on football in Lucifers land of Qatar, then takes his pound of flesh without any qualms about all the migrant labour loss of life building these stadiums, the figures are conflicting but the Guardian is quoting 6,500 killed building them.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022

Also Gary Neville another ex footballer with morals has long as his arm untill someone pays him a huge sum to put them on the back burner. Here Ian Hislop destroys Nevilles logic.

 

[JohninDublin]

11 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

I'm not privy to the contract that Sugar has with the BBC so I can't comment on what impartiality clause he has. 

As for Lineker, if he doesn't like the constraints placed upon what he can say or not then he has the freedom to leave. We'll see over the coming days. I'd respect him a lot if he did just leave. 

So you are not privy to Sugar's contract, but you are to Linekers? Cop out.

Basically, the BBC are saying that the same rules apply to all high-profile employees and free-lancers.

Do you think there is an exception that says, "As long as the Tories don't complain".

[TheDirtyDurian]

2 minutes ago, JohninDublin said:

So you are not privy to Sugar's contract, but you are to Linekers? Cop out.

Basically, the BBC are saying that the same rules apply to all high-profile employees and free-lancers.

Do you think there is an exception that says, "As long as the Tories don't complain".

I'm not privy to either of their contracts, surely the best thing would be for the BBC to publish details of Lineker's, and then it will all be clear. 

I agree with you, the same rules should apply to all. 

 

[BigHewer]

It’s all going too far. Lineker is a legend and an icon as far as I’m concerned. He’s also built up enough cred in his years on  MOTD to deserve some protection and support from his employer.

A slap on the wrist and a “distancing statement” perhaps? But being forced to step back, spare me.

 

[Rookiescot]

I dont see what the issue is. Linekar gave his own opinion on his own platform. If he had done it live on air then people would have a legitimate cause for complaint.

The Daily Mail gammons suddenly exploding over this need to remember some of the comments made by BBC personnel during the Scottish independence referendum. Where was their faux outrage then?

Oh yeah it was comments they happened to agree with so not an issue after all.

Also where is the outrage over the director of the BBC facilitating loans to Johnson? 

 

[JohninDublin]

11 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

Your average politian doesn't have the same reach as Lineker so there's a big difference. 

I don't know how many followers Priti Patel or Lineker has on twitter, and I couldn't care less, but I'm guessing Lineker has far more. Correct me if I'm wrong. 

And nobody expects politicians to be impartial! It goes with the territory that they're not by the very nature of the game. We vote for the people saying the stuff we like. 

He was critical of Qatar during the WC, he's still quite happy to take the Qatari Riyal though working for BEIN! So he's not that bothered by them. Maybe he's changing the system from within and all that.... 

I'm sure Sky, BEIN or whoever would love to get him, and probably pay him double the 1.35m the BBC did. 

So let me think about that: Are you suggesting that people with greater followings than politicians should not be allowed to speak up about Politicians tweets? I thought I'd already dealt with that in my respone to @Chaimai

And if politicians are not being impartial, or even dishonest, isn't that all the more reason why we need high-profile personages to challenge them? As I've said, who is going to listen to non-entities?

I also think you are being disingenuous about his taking Qatari money. My point was that he was principled enough to speak out against his employers in spite of the possible consequences.

[JohninDublin]

5 hours ago, Grumpish said:

That is known as "begging the question". On one hand we have you apparently championing the cause of free speech, the next we have you resorting to defective logic and cheap insults for anyone that dares to challenge your (so far unsupported) version of the truth. 

Totally disingenuos. If you think I am lying, I've put out a fairly lengthy case with plenty of detail. Instead of waiting for the unlikely event of someone to corroborate my research, why don't you do your own research? 

To use your own laziness as an excuse to impugn my honesty is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

[JohninDublin]

4 hours ago, Chaimai said:

No one is not allowed to discuss politics. Freedom of speech is not up for debate.

Using a celebrity position and speaking under that banner is. Many celebs have firm political views - especially the left, and some abuse their celebrity position. 

If I had tweeted what Lineker said no one would have taken any notice. In his lofty, and overpaid, position he has responsibilities to the role - I don't know about the contract position but these corporations often have restrictive clauses.

If I was Lineker I would set up a Twitter account that was sub-titled 'the views in tweets on this account are entirely my and do not reflect the views of any other body that I may be involved with'.

He (ab)used his position and everyone knows it.

So is it your concern that celebs especially from the the left, might have something useful to say. Personally, I have an admiration for celebs from the left. They are usually sticking with their roots. So many who come in socially deprived areas under Tory govs, change sides when they have to pay taxes. 

I've already made the point about non-entities, not that I consider you as such, counter-tweeting. Braverman sent that message to all Tory members with a twitter a/c, as well as her followers and anyone who cared to read it. I don't know how many read the tweet, but it was probably in excess of over 100k. I think that justifies that if she is being dishonest (Her lips moved), then it is essential that someone high profile puts the other side of the argument, but you appear to disagree with that approach. So she get's a free pass?

I am not entirely sure about the workings of twitter, but I think that they publish a dsclaimer in their T's&C's, that opinions are that of the tweeters. 

[JohninDublin]

49 minutes ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

I agree with you, the same rules should apply to all. 

Which is the thrust of my point. It appears that the rules only become an issue when there are complaints from Tory MP's.

I listen to Sunak's comments on this, and on the one hand I admire his position that this is an internal BBC matter. On the other, I recall Gerry Adams, and John Gotti urging the public to give the police co-operation in investigations where the IRA or Mafia were suspects. Not surprisingly, though there were plenty of witnesses to both events, nobody came forward. Even if Sunak is sincere, he will not be around forever, and there are those Tories, who will want their pound of flesh

[Grumpish]

28 minutes ago, JohninDublin said:

Totally disingenuos. If you think I am lying, I've put out a fairly lengthy case with plenty of detail. Instead of waiting for the unlikely event of someone to corroborate my research, why don't you do your own research? 

To use your own laziness as an excuse to impugn my honesty is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I did do some fact checking, which is why I challenged your primary case. While correct, you gave a rather selective set of numbers, and failed to mention that some 40% of arrivals over the last year have been Albanian men (not the sensationlist 80%, but still very high). Albanian men fleeing exactly what?

As far as I am concerned, genuine refugees and asylum seekers are welcome, and economic migrants that can support themselves fully from day one are welcome. It is all the others flooding the system and creating huge backlogs that are a large part of the problem. 

[Pinetree]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh the irony. Obviously Liam Gallagher does not do self-awareness. 

well said Liam, my thought exactly. 

[Pinetree]

1 hour ago, JohninDublin said:

So is it your concern that celebs especially from the the left, might have something useful to say.

No celebs from the left have any useful views that should interest the rest of us. Most of them are happy clappy, hand wringing, tear jerking  liberals and the rest are not far short of Communists. They should stick to their day job and spare the rest of us their socialist thoughts.  

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, Pinetree said:

No celebs from the left have any useful views that should interest the rest of us. Most of them are happy clappy, hand wringing, tear jerking  liberals and the rest are not far short of Communists. They should stick to their day job and spare the rest of us their socialist thoughts.  

And most from the right are snowflake, neo nazi, victim claimers and gammons. They should stick to their day job and spare the rest of us their neo liberalism top down economic thoughts.

You see how this works when you simply label people with an opposing view?

Now the real truth is all this nonsense about illegal immigrants in boats is a squirrel the right can point to rather than actually accepting the UK is an utter disaster zone that has happened under the right wing Conservative governments watch.

The Uk's problems run far deeper than some people arriving in boats. But let's not examine that eh? Let's just stare at the squirrel. 

[Pinetree]

29 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And most from the right are snowflake, neo nazi,

snowflakes are lefties and the Nazi Party was the Socialist Workers  Party.  See how easy it is to wrongly label people?  

[Rookiescot]

Just now, Pinetree said:

snowflakes are lefties and the Nazi Party was the Socialist Workers  Party.  See how easy it is to wrongly label people?  

Snowflakes are people with thin skins who cannot handle opposition. Seems apt for the right.

The nazi party were socialist in the same way the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy.

See how this works?

[JohninDublin]

7 hours ago, Grumpish said:

I did do some fact checking, which is why I challenged your primary case. While correct, you gave a rather selective set of numbers, and failed to mention that some 40% of arrivals over the last year have been Albanian men (not the sensationlist 80%, but still very high). Albanian men fleeing exactly what?

As far as I am concerned, genuine refugees and asylum seekers are welcome, and economic migrants that can support themselves fully from day one are welcome. It is all the others flooding the system and creating huge backlogs that are a large part of the problem. 

I am well aware of the Albanian problem, and I agree with you, but you have not seen me advocating for them have you.

I've rechecked my figures, using a diffeent source BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-63473022 This states 12301 out of 45000, which I calculate to be 27%. 

We are at least agreed on the idea that genuine cases are welcome which pleases me.

FWIW, I think that GL did breach the code, but it was in defence of the human rights of others, and in my book, that merits a free pass. There are times when silence should be abandoned in a higher cause. Have you ever heard of Pastor Niemoller? Hopefully, your rights will never be infringed. But if they are, you will be grateful to complete strangers who are prepared to speak up on your behalf. Niemoller explains why. 

 

[JamesR]

The nob head opens his mouth again, with yet another of his attention-seeking remarks.

Comparing the actions of the government to the Nazis?

The intention is to stop people from risking their lives by crossing one of the most dangerous seas in the world in flimsy boats with the aim of stopping the exploitation of people smugglers and their profits.

They are not escaping from a war-torn country in fear for their lives unless there is an ongoing war in France I have not heard of at the moment.

 

 

[JohninDublin]

5 hours ago, Pinetree said:

No celebs from the left have any useful views that should interest the rest of us. Most of them are happy clappy, hand wringing, tear jerking  liberals and the rest are not far short of Communists. They should stick to their day job and spare the rest of us their socialist thoughts.  

Oh wow! Another person with Communists living rent free in his head! I can see that when it comes to free speech, you have nothing useful to say. As for Socialism, take a look at Norway one of the richest countries in the world, who have elected Socialst govs in 9 out of the past 10 General Elections. Doesn't your heart break for them?

[JohninDublin]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Snowflakes are people with thin skins who cannot handle opposition. Seems apt for the right.

The nazi party were socialist in the same way the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy.

See how this works?

Correct: They were socialists until Hitler took over in the early 20's.

[JohninDublin]

4 hours ago, Pinetree said:

snowflakes are lefties and the Nazi Party was the Socialist Workers  Party.  See how easy it is to wrongly label people?  

The Nazis were the NASDP, which translated to The National Workers and Socialist Democratic Party. Socialism was abandoned soon after Hitler took leadership. Hitler hated the Socialists so much, that they were among the first groups to be sent to Dachau, which was purpose built for his so called enemies. They abandoned Democracy when they won the 1933 election.

People of the left may not have much to say that you want to hear, but at least we can further the gaps in your education.

[oldschooler]

Nothing to do with “ freedom of speech” which hasn’t existed inUK since Blair introduced legal protection from entirely valid criticism for the imaginary friend brigade , i.e. religions , followed by the ludicrous “ hate crimes” law.

I’ll break this down in simple terms as nobody here except Durian seems to remotely “ get” the real issue ; certainly not any thicko ex- footballer “pundits”:-

BBC = Public Tax Funded = IMPARTIAL=NO BBC Worker Political Statements NONE

Lineker+BBC=Massive Media Platform ;minus BBC = Virtual Lineker Media Oblivion.

Lineker Breach of Contract = Get FIRED Unless Issues Apology & Retraction of (Quite Stupid & False) Political Comments. No thinking person would miss any of his pundit pals either should they also wish to bugger off to Qatar where they would be instantly jailed for such comments there. 

Other Issue 1: Stupid Ignorant Comments Equating a Popular Illegal Immigration Control Measure by Free Democratic Nation Govt. ,with “ Nazism” ( Genocide, Gestapo, Death Camps etc. , I mean SERIOUSLY ?).

Other Issue 2: Selecting to Support Illegal- Entry Foreigners whose Cultures are Quite Incompatible with Free Western Democracy, who would cut Lineker’s Throat if so instructed by their Imams. Why not support UK Homeless, Poverty, Drug Abuse , Alcoholism, for example ? Answer : Wouldn’t boost his Twitter ratings.

[JohninDublin]

22 minutes ago, JamesR said:

The nob head opens his mouth again, with yet another of his attention-seeking remarks.

Comparing the actions of the government to the Nazis?

The intention is to stop people from risking their lives by crossing one of the most dangerous seas in the world in flimsy boats with the aim of stopping the exploitation of people smugglers and their profits.

They are not escaping from a war-torn country in fear for their lives unless there is an ongoing war in France I have not heard of at the moment.

You really need to read the quote. He did not compare the gov to the Nazis. He compared to the rhetoric to that which was prevalent in the 1930's. That included comments led by sources such as the Daily Heil, from Brits saying that they did not want Jewish refugees here.

As far as your third paragraph is concerned, do you not see the crocodiles tears coming from the gov's eyes? The gov could put a stop to this virtually overnight. All they need to do is to start a peliminary processing at Calais. Everyone takes a ticket. If the initial screening suggests that a candidate is likely to be granted asylum, they can board a cross-channel ferry: Cost £10. Then when they are in the UK, further screening before being denied or granted leave to remain. Are people going to pay €1000 and risk their lives in a dinghy, when they can travel in safety on a ferry?

Processing 100 claimants a day, last year there were 45k "illegal" entrants. 12k were Albanians, who would almost certainly be denied at the first stage. These would be the remaining customer base for the people smugglers. In most cases, the intercepted boats would be almost certainly full of people  who do not qualify for asylum, so they are straight into detention, and once processed, returned to their own country. I am sure that would seriously impact the smugglers business model. Again, how many times are people going to pay €1000, when they know they are going to sail into custody, and reasonably rapid deportation?

Based on your final sentence, I am not sure you understand about the duties imposed on refugees. They are under no obligation to remain in the first safe country, and it is recognised that there will be significant numbers who have family ties in the country that they choose as their final destination. Similarly, if as some of them have, given service to the UK and have had to flee their country because of this, do you not think that we have a debt to these people? 

[JohninDublin]

8 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Nothing to do with “ freedom of speech” which hasn’t existed inUK since Blair introduced legal protection from entirely valid criticism for the imaginary friend brigade , i.e. religions , followed by the ludicrous “ hate crimes” law.

I’ll break this down in simple terms as nobody here except Durian seems to remotely “ get” the real issue ; certainly not any thicko ex- footballer “pundits”:-

BBC = Public Tax Funded = IMPARTIAL=NO BBC Worker Political Statements NONE

Lineker+BBC=Massive Media Platform ;minus BBC = Virtual Lineker Media Oblivion.

Lineker Breach of Contract = Get FIRED Unless Issues Apology & Retraction of (Quite Stupid & False) Political Comments. No thinking person would miss any of his pundit pals either should they also wish to bugger off to Qatar where they would be instantly jailed for such comments there. 

Other Issue 1: Stupid Ignorant Comments Equating a Popular Illegal Immigration Control Measure by Free Democratic Nation Govt. ,with “ Nazism” ( Genocide, Gestapo, Death Camps etc. , I mean SERIOUSLY ?).

Other Issue 2: Selecting to Support Illegal- Entry Foreigners whose Cultures are Quite Incompatible with Free Western Democracy, who would cut Lineker’s Throat if so instructed by their Imams. Why not support UK Homeless, Poverty, Drug Abuse , Alcoholism, for example ? Answer : Wouldn’t boost his Twitter ratings.

You clearly have not read the tweet. Where does he mention Nazis? It was the Tory MP's who tried to infer that. You very easily fall for the populist rhetoric. Consider this: There are plenty of people who would like to see the death penalty, until they hang an innocent man. Does it not worry you that many of these people face death, torture or lengthy imprisonment if they are returned to their own country for crimes such as acting as interpreters for the British Army?

But there is a secondary matter here. We have obligations under the UN convention on refugees. What the UK is doing is to try to avoid those obligations by making it almost impossible for applications to be made unless they do so from their own country, very dangerous, or within the UK. But by refusing them permission to enter the UK, they don't have to deal with the applications. This is Catch-22.

[JohninDublin]

13 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

Mr Morality puts his morals on the kitchen shelf as he takes time off to comment on football in Lucifers land of Qatar, then takes his pound of flesh without any qualms about all the migrant labour loss of life building these stadiums, the figures are conflicting but the Guardian is quoting 6,500 killed building them.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022

Also Gary Neville another ex footballer with morals has long as his arm untill someone pays him a huge sum to put them on the back burner. Here Ian Hislop destroys Nevilles logic.

Just to help you out, https://news.sky.com/story/a-history-of-gary-linekers-most-controversial-tweets-from-brexit-to-russian-donors-12829271

There is a section entitled Qatar World Cup.

I do wish people would do a bit of due diligence before posting such inaccuracies.

[JohninDublin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqpvEzQWIAAxXpc?format=jpg&name=small

I think that graph will show just how serious the problem really is.