News Forum - WHO makes Covid-19 pandemic plea

[Thaiger]

The World Health Organisation (WHO) reported yesterday that Covid-19 made a plea to those who know the origins of the pandemic to come clean so they can conclude their report after the debate has turned into a geopolitical football that continues to be kicked around. The WHO made the plea on the back of new …

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[ChrisS]

"WHO continues to call for China to be transparent"

555 good luck with that! China are not going to admit that they accidentally or otherwise released this virus from one of their labs leaving themselves open to demands for compensation from every country in the world!

[Paulw]

Well if WHO still doesnt know where the virus originated from then thats a fairly good indication of their inability and  should not be the World Heath Organisation. What a pathetic joke they are!

[Rookiescot]

  On 3/20/2023 at 10:06 AM, Paulw said:

Well if WHO still doesnt know where the virus originated from then thats a fairly good indication of their inability and  should not be the World Heath Organisation. What a pathetic joke they are!

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I strongly suspect the WHO knows how the virus originated. It is just difficult to prove without China being open and honest which is never going to happen.

[Jsureemee]

Here is what we know.  The Chinese authorities did not cooperate at all with the WHO. That is a certainty. Was a bat the source? They have been selling bats at that market for probably hundreds of years. It just so happened that a bat in 2019 was the carrier of the virus. OK. And the authorities somehow have no other information on the origin, but they know the bat was the cause. OK. And, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, although nearby, had nothing to do with it. They know that too. OK. And they have no real documentation on any of this. OK. And any lower ranking people who know the real facts are conveniently dead. OK. And nearly immediately the Chinese authorities knew what they were dealing with and promptly locked down a city of 11 million people. OK. But, how did they know so quickly? How did they know to lock down a city of 11 million to try to contain it? 

The true story is.....the virus was released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, either accidentally or on purpose. You know, like a biology experiment. The authorities knew what to do right away because, well you know. So much for the biology experiment.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Jsureemee

[Faz]

  On 3/24/2023 at 2:44 AM, Jsureemee said:

The true story is.....the virus was released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, either accidentally or on purpose. You know, like a biology experiment. The authorities knew what to do right away because, well you know. So much for the biology experiment.

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Thank heavens, somebody knows the truth.
Have you informed WHO, with your evidence, so they can conclude their report?

[Vigo]

  On 3/20/2023 at 10:06 AM, Paulw said:

Well if WHO still doesnt know where the virus originated from then thats a fairly good indication of their inability and  should not be the World Heath Organisation. What a pathetic joke they are!

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You know nothing about the mission nor the cumulative  positive impact of the WHO do you? You call them a joke, but and blame them for being obliged to respect its apolitical position. Do you know who the first responder has been to recent epidemics like ebola, and MPox? It was WHO. You are not facing an ebola plague because of WHO actions. Do you know who put an end to small pox? WHO. Do you know which organization has been responsible for saving millions of lives from GI infections, Dengue, malaria etc? It is WHO.

The facts to date suggest that the disease originated in an animal source, now believed to be raccoon dogs. China's wet markets have been the source of other serious epidemics. The claims of a leak from a lab are not supported by anyone with hands on experience in research and laboratory science.  It is quite likely, that the workers in lab were exposed to virus at the lab and spread the disease, but that is very different than a lab leak,  What we have is a  nonsensical poliiticization of the issue. Pandering to the fears of the ignorant is not how the issue will be solved. Yes, China has covered up. Yes, China  has refused to  co-operate. Yes China is responsible for this because of its refusal/failure to close wet markets and its barbaric slaughtering practicews.  Mainland China is a threat to  the world's biosecurity.  Unfortunately, without  access to China, the world cannot stop ongoing avian flu crisis or investigate other developing diseases. The world still depends on China for much of its consumer goods and its medicines.  The WHO does not have a mandate to lay "blame", nor is it there to accuse. It is there to provide a response to emerging and existing disease.

[Viggen840]

  On 3/20/2023 at 10:12 AM, Rookiescot said:

I strongly suspect the WHO knows how the virus originated. It is just difficult to prove without China being open and honest which is never going to happen.

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Or, on the other hand, WHO doesn't have the guts to openly declare the release and obfuscation as criminal action by the Chinese government?

[Viggen840]

  On 3/24/2023 at 3:47 AM, Faz said:

Thank heavens, somebody knows the truth.
Have you informed WHO, with your evidence, so they can conclude their report?

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I don't believe you but I certainly believe Jsureemee's version

[Vigo]

  On 3/26/2023 at 3:24 AM, Viggen840 said:

I don't believe you but I certainly believe Jsureemee's version

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So you believe an unsubstantiated allegation that is not supported by any. actual evidence? Have you considered past events and why there is a Wuhan Institute? It is because Wuhan has historically been an epicenter of outbreaks because of the Chinese obsession with wet markets. Do you know what happens at a wet market and why it is so easy for a disease to spread? All sorts of live animals are kept caged in uncomfortable confinement, typically without food or water. They are often tormented and tortured with limbs broken to cause them to have pain as the Chinese believe that  the bodies will release adrenalin that will rejuvenate those who consume the flesh. The animals are slaughtered in front of each other, often giving off howls of terror. Overall, the situation leads to an environment where the animals are  extremely stressed resulting in weakened immune systems. Endemic illness easily spreads and develops into super bugs. It can easily jump from species to species as anumals are often bled out and the innards discarded to the sides There are no hygiene standards at these markets and despoite China's promises to close they continue.  This is how SARS  started decades ago and Covid is a progeny of SARS. It is quite easy that samples may have been taken to the Wuhan Institute where workers were infected. 

It's a pity that you do not keep up with the scientific developments as the latest research date shows that the infection may involve the consumption of raccoon dogs.  It's easier for you to embrace a convoluted conspiracy claim than it is to  consider  prior events, and existing established fact that is scary  isn't it?  You should be scared, because as long as China.  and Africa and South America have their markets trading in live animals in unhygenic cruel formats, humans will be at risk. Easier to blame  scientists in a lab than to accept that the general population is responsible  because of its dietary habits.

[Viggen840]

  On 3/26/2023 at 3:43 AM, Vigo said:

So you believe an unsubstantiated allegation

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Simpler for me to put my trust in my previous knowledge - I don't trust the Chinese, under their present dictatorship system, to lie straight in bed.

Yes, you put up a great argument, but as long as the CCP runs information releases (and obfuscates) don't try and sell me on the poor-fellow-well-met.

[Faz]

  On 3/26/2023 at 4:36 AM, Viggen840 said:

Yes, you put up a great argument, but as long as the CCP runs information releases (and obfuscates) don't try and sell me on the poor-fellow-well-met.

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@Vigo account of Chinese wet markets is spot on.
Occasionally, they throw a bucket of water over a blood soaked table from various slaughtered animals, which you then walk in,

[Faz]

  On 3/26/2023 at 3:24 AM, Viggen840 said:

I don't believe you but I certainly believe Jsureemee's version

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You may believe what you want, but without substantiated evidence, any belief is baseless.

[Rookiescot]

  On 3/26/2023 at 3:43 AM, Vigo said:

So you believe an unsubstantiated allegation that is not supported by any. actual evidence? Have you considered past events and why there is a Wuhan Institute? It is because Wuhan has historically been an epicenter of outbreaks because of the Chinese obsession with wet markets. Do you know what happens at a wet market and why it is so easy for a disease to spread? All sorts of live animals are kept caged in uncomfortable confinement, typically without food or water. They are often tormented and tortured with limbs broken to cause them to have pain as the Chinese believe that  the bodies will release adrenalin that will rejuvenate those who consume the flesh. The animals are slaughtered in front of each other, often giving off howls of terror. Overall, the situation leads to an environment where the animals are  extremely stressed resulting in weakened immune systems. Endemic illness easily spreads and develops into super bugs. It can easily jump from species to species as anumals are often bled out and the innards discarded to the sides There are no hygiene standards at these markets and despoite China's promises to close they continue.  This is how SARS  started decades ago and Covid is a progeny of SARS. It is quite easy that samples may have been taken to the Wuhan Institute where workers were infected. 

It's a pity that you do not keep up with the scientific developments as the latest research date shows that the infection may involve the consumption of raccoon dogs.  It's easier for you to embrace a convoluted conspiracy claim than it is to  consider  prior events, and existing established fact that is scary  isn't it?  You should be scared, because as long as China.  and Africa and South America have their markets trading in live animals in unhygenic cruel formats, humans will be at risk. Easier to blame  scientists in a lab than to accept that the general population is responsible  because of its dietary habits.

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The problem is we will probably NEVER know where it started (either a market or a lab) because China has erased any evidence.

Thats the real issue here.

[Poolie]

  On 3/26/2023 at 11:51 AM, Faz said:

You may believe what you want, but without substantiated evidence, any belief is baseless.

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Very appropriate. Unfortunately not always adopted.