News Forum - FBI director says Covid-19 started in a Chinese lab, but provides no evidence

[Thaiger]

Three years after the outbreak of the Covid-19 pandemic and it appears the experts are no closer to nailing the source of the outbreak, although an FBI director reckons the virus was “likely” leaked from a lab. FBI Director Christopher Wray guesses that a laboratory in Wuhan, China, is the source of the outbreak although …

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[Rookiescot]

What ever happened to the Chinese "bat lady" who was working there?

[Grumpish]

Fox News is far right?  It may not be the most neutral news source around, and of course has failed to follow mainstream orthodoxy by not supporting Clinton and Biden, but if Fox is far right then that must make most of the rest of the US mainstream media far left. 

As far as origins of the virus goes, anything now is pure speculation, a lab leak and wild animals being sold as exotic food in the Wuhan wet market are both plausible, but any firm evidence to support one or the other has long since been obfuscated by the Chinese authorities.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

Fox News is far right?  It may not be the most neutral news source around, and of course has failed to follow mainstream orthodoxy by not supporting Clinton and Biden, but if Fox is far right then that must make most of the rest of the US mainstream media far left.

No Faux news is FAR right.

Other right wing media sources are available.

[Marc26]

4 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

Fox News is far right?  It may not be the most neutral news source around, and of course has failed to follow mainstream orthodoxy by not supporting Clinton and Biden, but if Fox is far right then that must make most of the rest of the US mainstream media far left. 

As far as origins of the virus goes, anything now is pure speculation, a lab leak and wild animals being sold as exotic food in the Wuhan wet market are both plausible, but any firm evidence to support one or the other has long since been obfuscated by the Chinese authorities.

May not be the most neutral???

 

Haha

That's an understatement

 

Have you read even a page of the Dominion lawsuit?

 

They aren't a news organization 

They are a propaganda channel for the Republican party and that's a fact that was testified to under oath in this lawsuit 

[HolyCowCm]

Well it would probably be extremely difficult to find some person on this planet that doesn't believe it was made and escaped from the Wuhan lab. I am happy that someone is coming out and pushing it right back at the CCP basically calling them what they are as in big fat liars. I hope some evidence gets found or let out and then we all go from there and figure out what to do with them. Fox news is a joke, but on this one I will say ok.

[ThaiFoodGuy]

Regardless of what you may think about Fox News, a few key points to consider:

1 - Bob Scott is a leftist extremist to a point of cult-like obsession with leftist propaganda and extreme socialist and communist sympathy. Prove me wrong. Absolute trash journalism without fail. He's a far left activist, not a journalist.

2 - Does it matter that Christopher Wray spoke with Fox News, or if he said the exact same thing to MSNBC, the polar opposite of Fox News to the extreme left, would that make Bob Scott and his fellow cult members happy? If Christopher Wray had blogged about it on Medium, instead of speaking to a network with right wing sympathies, would that make his claim more credible? It's ridiculous to suggest that who he spoke with somehow changes what was said.

3 - Is it not possible that he has seen the evidence and is making this claim with confidence that he's correct? He's the Director of the FBI, with access to top secret and highly sensitive information that Bob Scott does not and will never have access to. The US Department of Energy agrees with the claim, too. So do multiple scientists, easily found with a simple Google search. Claiming only the ones who don't support the lab leak THEORY are correct while the ones who do are incorrect, simply based on the subject's popularity, is unscientific and frankly immature. Neither of those theories have been proven.

3 - The FBI is the Gestapo of the American government and has exclusively chased down and persecuted Republicans and right-wing political adversaries of the Democrats for YEARS. To suggest that for some reason Christopher Wray has somehow gone rogue by parting from the FBI's agenda is laughable.

4 - Bob Scott hilariously points out that the World Health Organization "found" that COVID originating from a lab was "extremely unlikely". I guess Bob Scott doesn't have Google because a quick search instantly reveals that the WHO has since declared the lab leak theory requires further investigation, and is to this day unproven. Which means it hasn't been debunked, either.

[Marc26]

1 hour ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

Regardless of what you may think about Fox News, a few key points to consider:

1 - Bob Scott is a leftist extremist to a point of cult-like obsession with leftist propaganda and extreme socialist and communist sympathy. Prove me wrong. Absolute trash journalism without fail. He's a far left activist, not a journalist.

2 - Does it matter that Christopher Wray spoke with Fox News, or if he said the exact same thing to MSNBC, the polar opposite of Fox News to the extreme left, would that make Bob Scott and his fellow cult members happy? If Christopher Wray had blogged about it on Medium, instead of speaking to a network with right wing sympathies, would that make his claim more credible? It's ridiculous to suggest that who he spoke with somehow changes what was said.

3 - Is it not possible that he has seen the evidence and is making this claim with confidence that he's correct? He's the Director of the FBI, with access to top secret and highly sensitive information that Bob Scott does not and will never have access to. The US Department of Energy agrees with the claim, too. So do multiple scientists, easily found with a simple Google search. Claiming only the ones who don't support the lab leak THEORY are correct while the ones who do are incorrect, simply based on the subject's popularity, is unscientific and frankly immature. Neither of those theories have been proven.

3 - The FBI is the Gestapo of the American government and has exclusively chased down and persecuted Republicans and right-wing political adversaries of the Democrats for YEARS. To suggest that for some reason Christopher Wray has somehow gone rogue by parting from the FBI's agenda is laughable.

4 - Bob Scott hilariously points out that the World Health Organization "found" that COVID originating from a lab was "extremely unlikely". I guess Bob Scott doesn't have Google because a quick search instantly reveals that the WHO has since declared the lab leak theory requires further investigation, and is to this day unproven. Which means it hasn't been debunked, either.

I don't know who Bob Scott is.....

 

But his point is valid

 

Wray is certainly within his jurisdiction to give his educated opinion 

 

But as FBI director it's highly irresponsible for him to go on FOX, yes its a propganda channel not a news organization 

That's proven without a doubt with these Dominion depositions 

 

But for him to suggest it's any sort of Bio attack is irresponsible 

 

 

By the way

I've always believed it was a lab leak

[HolyCowCm]

2 hours ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

Regardless of what you may think about Fox News, a few key points to consider:

1 - Bob Scott is a leftist extremist to a point of cult-like obsession with leftist propaganda and extreme socialist and communist sympathy. Prove me wrong. Absolute trash journalism without fail. He's a far left activist, not a journalist.

2 - Does it matter that Christopher Wray spoke with Fox News, or if he said the exact same thing to MSNBC, the polar opposite of Fox News to the extreme left, would that make Bob Scott and his fellow cult members happy? If Christopher Wray had blogged about it on Medium, instead of speaking to a network with right wing sympathies, would that make his claim more credible? It's ridiculous to suggest that who he spoke with somehow changes what was said.

3 - Is it not possible that he has seen the evidence and is making this claim with confidence that he's correct? He's the Director of the FBI, with access to top secret and highly sensitive information that Bob Scott does not and will never have access to. The US Department of Energy agrees with the claim, too. So do multiple scientists, easily found with a simple Google search. Claiming only the ones who don't support the lab leak THEORY are correct while the ones who do are incorrect, simply based on the subject's popularity, is unscientific and frankly immature. Neither of those theories have been proven.

3 - The FBI is the Gestapo of the American government and has exclusively chased down and persecuted Republicans and right-wing political adversaries of the Democrats for YEARS. To suggest that for some reason Christopher Wray has somehow gone rogue by parting from the FBI's agenda is laughable.

4 - Bob Scott hilariously points out that the World Health Organization "found" that COVID originating from a lab was "extremely unlikely". I guess Bob Scott doesn't have Google because a quick search instantly reveals that the WHO has since declared the lab leak theory requires further investigation, and is to this day unproven. Which means it hasn't been debunked, either.

I didn’t realize the article came from BS. Figures. I only replied on it as I had read the international on the subject and then saw the article on TT. Definitely not a fan of BS. Terrible if you can even call it journalism but he didn’t create the topic. Just hope one day the CCP does get outed and exposed to the cover up of their lab creation that is still running rampant in our world. 

[BigHewer]

Let me see… 

1. Were there any butchered bats for sale in the Wuhan wet market prior to the Covid outbreak?

2. Which Chinese city has two different facilities focused on bat coronavirus research?

3. What was the first question posed to Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus at the first global WHO press conference way back in February 2020? (Totally random of course who got to ask the first question )

Answer these three questions folks and then it’s just a simple matter of Occam’s razor. 

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

Regardless of what you may think about Fox News, a few key points to consider:

1 - Bob Scott is a leftist extremist to a point of cult-like obsession with leftist propaganda and extreme socialist and communist sympathy. Prove me wrong. Absolute trash journalism without fail. He's a far left activist, not a journalist.

2 - Does it matter that Christopher Wray spoke with Fox News, or if he said the exact same thing to MSNBC, the polar opposite of Fox News to the extreme left, would that make Bob Scott and his fellow cult members happy? If Christopher Wray had blogged about it on Medium, instead of speaking to a network with right wing sympathies, would that make his claim more credible? It's ridiculous to suggest that who he spoke with somehow changes what was said.

3 - Is it not possible that he has seen the evidence and is making this claim with confidence that he's correct? He's the Director of the FBI, with access to top secret and highly sensitive information that Bob Scott does not and will never have access to. The US Department of Energy agrees with the claim, too. So do multiple scientists, easily found with a simple Google search. Claiming only the ones who don't support the lab leak THEORY are correct while the ones who do are incorrect, simply based on the subject's popularity, is unscientific and frankly immature. Neither of those theories have been proven.

3 - The FBI is the Gestapo of the American government and has exclusively chased down and persecuted Republicans and right-wing political adversaries of the Democrats for YEARS. To suggest that for some reason Christopher Wray has somehow gone rogue by parting from the FBI's agenda is laughable.

4 - Bob Scott hilariously points out that the World Health Organization "found" that COVID originating from a lab was "extremely unlikely". I guess Bob Scott doesn't have Google because a quick search instantly reveals that the WHO has since declared the lab leak theory requires further investigation, and is to this day unproven. Which means it hasn't been debunked, either.

Good grief mate. You are so down that right wing conspiracy theory rabbit hole you can't even see when people on the left agree with you.

Now for me Bob Scott is a Chinese apologist who I never agree with and here he is providing a thinly veiled attempt to discredit reality. But guess what? People on the left see it as well.

 

[Rookiescot]

39 minutes ago, BigHewer said:

Let me see… 

1. Were there any butchered bats for sale in the Wuhan wet market prior to the Covid outbreak?

2. Which Chinese city has two different facilities focused on bat coronavirus research?

3. What was the first question posed to Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus at the first global WHO press conference way back in February 2020? (Totally random of course who got to ask the first question )

Answer these three questions folks and then it’s just a simple matter of Occam’s razor. 

You also need to ask where was the most prominent Chinese authority on Covid/Sars viruses working at when the virus started.  

[ThaiFoodGuy]

32 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Good grief mate. You are so down that right wing conspiracy theory rabbit hole you can't even see when people on the left agree with you.

Good attempt at ad hominem but can you explain which right wing conspiracy rabbit hole I'm down and what it is that I missed?

[Rookiescot]

8 hours ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

Good attempt at ad hominem but can you explain which right wing conspiracy rabbit hole I'm down and what it is that I missed?

 

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

The FBI is the Gestapo of the American government and has exclusively chased down and persecuted Republicans and right-wing political adversaries of the Democrats for YEARS. To suggest that for some reason Christopher Wray has somehow gone rogue by parting from the FBI's agenda is laughable.

That.

[Samlee]

The article reads like something that would come from the CCP's Foreign Ministry or that it was written by someone who has only occasionally followed what is going on in China since COVID began. Moreover, the writer doesn't know that the report is still classified and so the FBI can't say where their information comes from. As for the WHO, Tedros was basically appointed to his job with Xi's help, and it has been clear from early on that the WHO is in the pockets of the CCP. So, the WHO can't be trusted to tell the truth.

[ThaiFoodGuy]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

That.

Well for starters, Hilary Clinton's email server, her staff smashing cell phones to destroy evidence, literally dozens of known secret and top secret documents on the server, confirmed, no conspiracy theory.

Also no FBI witch hunt. Literally a statement that this warrants no further review or investigation.

 

Now let's look at just a few FBI investigations under the Trump administration:

Steele dossier: lie (in fact James Baker was fired for falsifying evidence to impeach Trump)

Racist noose at NASCAR: lie (it was a garage door pull, the FBI investigated a garage door pull for being racist)

Ukraine quid pro quo: lie (absolutely no evidence beyond hearsay, and in fact Biden is on camera/mic openly bragging about doing the exact thing the Democrats claim Trump did without evidence)

Epstein. Need I say more or will my post be removed for even saying the name?

BLM riots vs. Jan 6 riots: Depending on the source of rage, the outcome is either an insurrection or it's a peaceful protest. Guess which one is which?

 

Now under Elon's ownership of Twitter we also know, as a fact, not a theory or suggestion, but an actual FACT, that the FBI suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story until AFTER the 2020 election.

If you could please point me in the direction of FBI investigations against Democrats or the Clintons or even their friends or the legacy DNC or any left-wing cause, I'd really appreciate the snap back to reality out of the right wing rabbit hole you claim I'm falling into. And don't circle back to Epstein since Ghislaine Maxwell is literally the first person in documented history to be convicted of child trafficking without the list of clients disclosed, and it's incredibly convenient that the FBI conducted the majority of the investigation at least on American interests and still levied NO charge or sanction against people known without a doubt to have visited Epstein's island regularly, namely Mr. Clinton.

[Rookiescot]

23 minutes ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

Well for starters, Hilary Clinton's email server, her staff smashing cell phones to destroy evidence, literally dozens of known secret and top secret documents on the server, confirmed, no conspiracy theory.

Also no FBI witch hunt. Literally a statement that this warrants no further review or investigation.

Now let's look at just a few FBI investigations under the Trump administration:

Steele dossier: lie (in fact James Baker was fired for falsifying evidence to impeach Trump)

Racist noose at NASCAR: lie (it was a garage door pull, the FBI investigated a garage door pull for being racist)

Ukraine quid pro quo: lie (absolutely no evidence beyond hearsay, and in fact Biden is on camera/mic openly bragging about doing the exact thing the Democrats claim Trump did without evidence)

Epstein. Need I say more or will my post be removed for even saying the name?

BLM riots vs. Jan 6 riots: Depending on the source of rage, the outcome is either an insurrection or it's a peaceful protest. Guess which one is which?

Now under Elon's ownership of Twitter we also know, as a fact, not a theory or suggestion, but an actual FACT, that the FBI suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story until AFTER the 2020 election.

If you could please point me in the direction of FBI investigations against Democrats or the Clintons or even their friends or the legacy DNC or any left-wing cause, I'd really appreciate the snap back to reality out of the right wing rabbit hole you claim I'm falling into. And don't circle back to Epstein since Ghislaine Maxwell is literally the first person in documented history to be convicted of child trafficking without the list of clients disclosed, and it's incredibly convenient that the FBI conducted the majority of the investigation at least on American interests and still levied NO charge or sanction against people known without a doubt to have visited Epstein's island regularly, namely Mr. Clinton.

What a litany of unrelated conspiracy theories.

If the FBI is so all powerful and left wing how on earth did Trump win in 2016? 

[Grumpish]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

What a litany of unrelated conspiracy theories.

If the FBI is so all powerful and left wing how on earth did Trump win in 2016? 

Most of that can actually be verified, so doesn't come under the conspiracy theory banner. How did Trump win in 2016? Mainstream media and the establishment were so convinced that Clinton couldn't possibly lose that they took their eyes off of the ball. US politics, and US presidential politics, are hopelessly corrupt, bordering on farcical at times, anyway. 

[ThaiFoodGuy]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

What a litany of unrelated conspiracy theories.

Sorry good sir, but a conspiracy theory, once proven, is no longer a conspiracy theory, but is in fact a conspiracy.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

Sorry good sir, but a conspiracy theory, once proven, is no longer a conspiracy theory, but is in fact a conspiracy.

If you cannot tell the difference between a street riot and the storming of your countries Capitol building with the intention of overturning a free and fair election then I cannot help you.

[ThaiFoodGuy]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

If you cannot tell the difference between a street riot and the storming of your countries Capitol building with the intention of overturning a free and fair election then I cannot help you.

January 21, 2017: Hundreds of feminist protesters stormed the Capitol building to demand the removal of Trump. Why was that not called an insurrection?

May 29 2020: BLM riots tore through the White House security gates, 60 officers were injured and multiple federal buildings were burned down, vandalized, or otherwise destroyed. Why was that not called an insurrection?

Bit of a disparity of causes and outcomes, isn't there? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I am certainly a commonality observer and can see clear as day that if a political cause satisfies the Democrats and/or leftists, any level of destruction and violence is tolerated and sometimes encouraged. When the opposing political viewpoint takes the same measures, everyone clutches their pearls gasping and screeching in outrage that the rabble are rousing.

[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

January 21, 2017: Hundreds of feminist protesters stormed the Capitol building to demand the removal of Trump. Why was that not called an insurrection?

No they didn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Women's_March

14 minutes ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

May 29 2020: BLM riots tore through the White House security gates, 60 officers were injured and multiple federal buildings were burned down, vandalized, or otherwise destroyed. Why was that not called an insurrection?

Absolutely nothing like the storming of the Capitol building though is it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C.

16 minutes ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

Bit of a disparity of causes and outcomes, isn't there? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I am certainly a commonality observer and can see clear as day that if a political cause satisfies the Democrats and/or leftists, any level of destruction and violence is tolerated and sometimes encouraged. When the opposing political viewpoint takes the same measures, everyone clutches their pearls gasping and screeching in outrage that the rabble are rousing.

But that is exactly what you are. A right wing conspiracy theorist. It is an odd irony that the right wing scream like Karens that they are the victims while they engage in acts of violence far worse than the left.

[ThaiFoodGuy]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

No they didn't.

Apologies - my date was wrong. It was Kavanaugh protest (insurrection) I meant to refer to.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/28/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-protesters-christine-blasey-ford/1453524002/

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Absolutely nothing like the storming of the Capitol building though is it?

No, it was far worse actually. Cases against many of the Jan. 6 protesters are being dropped due to police letting many of the protesters in. Violent offenders should be charged and prosecuted, but MAGA meemaws dotering into the building because an officer let them in? Come on.

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

But that is exactly what you are. A right wing conspiracy theorist. It is an odd irony that the right wing scream like Karens that they are the victims while they engage in acts of violence far worse than the left.

Yet another ad hominem from someone unable to defend their position, that's 2 personal attacks from you and zero from me, I guess you're winning? Does it feel like you're doing better? Typical name calling and finger pointing rather than addressing a statement. Who here is the Karen buddy? Also please point me in the direction of right wing violence that was worse than any of the BLM or ANTIFA riots in the last 4 years? 

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/28/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-protesters-christine-blasey-ford/1453524002/

There was no violence.

5 hours ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

No, it was far worse actually. Cases against many of the Jan. 6 protesters are being dropped due to police letting many of the protesters in. Violent offenders should be charged and prosecuted, but MAGA meemaws dotering into the building because an officer let them in? Come on.

So far there have been almost 1000 people charged. Obviously not everyone who was there that day has been charged. That seems perfectly correct. The fact that a few (not the many you claim) so their charges dropped means that the system is working and due process is being followed.

Trying to whitewash the violence that did occur that day is not going to work. We all saw it.

6 hours ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

Yet another ad hominem from someone unable to defend their position, that's 2 personal attacks from you and zero from me, I guess you're winning? Does it feel like you're doing better? Typical name calling and finger pointing rather than addressing a statement. Who here is the Karen buddy? Also please point me in the direction of right wing violence that was worse than any of the BLM or ANTIFA riots in the last 4 years?

I am sorry you find the term Right wing conspiracy theorist to be offensive. It is not meant to be. It is simply a fact.

Now I can keep on presenting you with facts to show these theories are wrong but we both know I am wasting my time. You believe what you believe. Thats fine.

Right wing violence is a greater threat in the US than Islamist terrorists. Have a look at the list in this link.

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml

 

 

 

[ThaiFoodGuy]

13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

I am sorry you find the term Right wing conspiracy theorist to be offensive. It is not meant to be. It is simply a fact.

To become so defensive (and offensive) when presented with information which conflicts with what you believe is enough to convince any reasonable reader here that it is you, in fact, who has a weak standpoint. Your pearl clutching hysteria when presented with very clear information contrasting what you've been saying, says everything.

Stay safe, Karen!