News Forum - Experts argue that vaping should remain illegal

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Several experts argued that vaping devices and e-cigarettes should remain illegal in Thailand. At a forum in Bangkok on Monday they say the devices are very harmful to people’s health and should remain prohibited items. The Director of the Office of Consumer Protection Board’s (OCPB) Legal Execution Division reminded that Thailand currently bans the import, …

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[Shade_Wilder]

 

I absolutely agree that vaping and the related paraphernalia should remain illegal.

What exactly is vaping? It is using a device to either get someone addicted to one of the most addictive drugs out there, Nicotine, or it is a device to keep someone addicted to one of the most addictive drugs out there, Nicotine. 

Period.

There is simply no other use for vaping. None. Nada. Nil. Zip. Zero. None.

There are some who claim that it is better than smoking tobacco, and that may or may not be true; we simply don't know for sure, yet. But, who gives a Rat's Ass? Drinking Lead Paint is probably better for you than drinking Sulfuric Acid, but neither is okay. 

Keep vaping illegal. Make the purchase of vaping fluid illegal. Make the purchase of vaping equipment illegal; go raid the markets.  Keep vaping illegal and enforce the law.

However, it is a Public Health issue, not a criminal one, so fix the penalties to something reasonable, and let visitors to the Kingdom know the rules. Vaping is legal is many places around the world, so do this right. Perhaps a three month lead-in where warnings are given out. After three months, perhaps a fine of 300 Baht for vaping and/or selling vaping equipment. After six months, increase the fine to 500 Baht, and slowly increase it from there. 

This 100,000 Baht fine and jail time is dumber than 47 bags of hammers.

Vaping ONLY benefits Corporate A-Holes who make money off of the addiction of others. These people don't deserve more money, they deserve a swift and powerful kick in the Goonies.

Get rid of vaping for good, but do it right.

 

[socal]

1 minute ago, Shade_Wilder said:

I absolutely agree that vaping and the related paraphernalia should remain illegal.

What exactly is vaping? It is using a device to either get someone addicted to one of the most addictive drugs out there, Nicotine, or it is a device to keep someone addicted to one of the most addictive drugs out there, Nicotine. 

Period.

There is simply no other use for vaping. None. Nada. Nil. Zip. Zero. None.

There are some who claim that it is better than smoking tobacco, and that may or may not be true; we simply don't know for sure, yet. But, who gives a Rat's Ass? Drinking Lead Paint is probably better for you than drinking Sulfuric Acid, but neither is okay. 

Keep vaping illegal. Make the purchase of vaping fluid illegal. Make the purchase of vaping equipment illegal; go raid the markets.  Keep vaping illegal and enforce the law.

However, fix the penalties to something reasonable, and let visitors to the Kingdom know the rules. Vaping is legal is many places around the world, so do this right. Perhaps a three month lead-in where warnings are given out. After three months, perhaps a fine of 300 Baht for vaping and/or selling vaping equipment. After six months, increase the fine to 500 Baht, and slowly increase it from there. 

This 100,000 Baht fine and jail time is dumber than 47 bags of hammers.

Vaping ONLY benefits Corporate A-Holes who make money off of the addiction of others. These people don't deserve more money, they deserve a swift and powerful kick in the Goonies.

Get rid of vaping for good, but do it right.

Nonsense.

First off, vaping is 95% safer than cigarettes. 

 

This estimate is based on comprehensive, independent reviews of the scientific evidence by both Public Health England (the English Government Public Health agency) and the Tobacco Advisory Committee of the UK Royal College of Physicians.

Both organisations came to the same conclusion, PHE in 2015 and again in its second review of the evidence in 2018, and RCP in 2016.

The Royal College of Physicians put it this way:

"Although it is not possible to precisely quantify the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure"

The same 95% safer figure had earlier been estimated by a group of international experts in 2014 led by Professor David Nutt. The PHE and RCP reports were completely independent of that earlier review but came to the same conclusion.

 

 

 

Second. You know why there is an obesity pandemic ? Because of the slow prohibition of tobacco. 

Fast food becomes the only drug. And ppl who would have smoked a bit, eat way too much instead. And now diabetes, heart disease and early death claims more ppl than tobacco. 

 

 

[Grumpish]

Anyone that is vaping toxic chemicals and ultrafine particles should be buying better quality e-liquid, and 50 times more nicotine than a cigarette, I would love to know how that figure was arrived at. Yes, there have been cases of lung damage, one cause of this was a food additive (butter yellow) that is banned or restricted in many countries. Banning tobacco products makes far more sense health-wise, but that would offend far tòo many of the wealthy and influential people with a vested interest in the tobacco industry.

[Shade_Wilder]

 

The first step in dealing with addiction is to admit the problem. Nicotine is highly addictive drug with no benefits. None.

Every time you inject Nicotine into your body by vaping (or smoking), you are making some Corporate A-Hole richer and yourself poorer, both financially and in Health terms.

Regain your self-esteem and kick the habit; help is out there if you need it.

And, I would agree with @Grumpish above; ban tobacco as well by phasing it out at the same time.

 

[Manu]

33 minutes ago, socal said:

Nonsense.

First off, vaping is 95% safer than cigarettes. 

This estimate is based on comprehensive, independent reviews of the scientific evidence by both Public Health England (the English Government Public Health agency) and the Tobacco Advisory Committee of the UK Royal College of Physicians.

Both organisations came to the same conclusion, PHE in 2015 and again in its second review of the evidence in 2018, and RCP in 2016.

The Royal College of Physicians put it this way:

"Although it is not possible to precisely quantify the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure"

The same 95% safer figure had earlier been estimated by a group of international experts in 2014 led by Professor David Nutt. The PHE and RCP reports were completely independent of that earlier review but came to the same conclusion.

Second. You know why there is an obesity pandemic ? Because of the slow prohibition of tobacco. 

Fast food becomes the only drug. And ppl who would have smoked a bit, eat way too much instead. And now diabetes, heart disease and early death claims more ppl than tobacco. 

I am with you on that (although your last paragraph: bad food has been the biggest killer for quite some time although I understand the stop smoking matter might slightly make things worse). And the HNS in the Uk still recommends it to stop smoking. It helps and has helped 100 000s so far, we all know some who did it that way.

So e-cigarettes contains very addictive nicotine. But like caffeine, nicotine is not really harmful unless in extreme huge doses: if we drink 50 coffees a day, caffeine will be harmful. Same goes with nicotine.

The thing is e-cigarettes do not burn tobacco and do not produce tar or carbon monoxide, two of the most damaging elements in tobacco smoke. Not to mention the other 1000+ toxic chemicals you find in tobacco. No need to be a scientist to see the benefits of e-cigarettes vs tobacco.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/quit-smoking/using-e-cigarettes-to-stop-smoking/

While a great tool to stop smoking or just to replace tobacco with the much less harmful e-cigarettes, the problem is for young people to start while they never smoked before. While there is no evidence that they will eventually switch to tobacco, using e-cigarettes is not positive and that is where education should take over, just the same as with tobacco basically. And anyway, if e-cigarettes are illegal, then maybe they will start straight with tobacco. Which one is worse? It is very clear now: tobacco. And at the same time, when illegal it stops providing a great tools for smokers to switch to a less harmful product and maybe eventually stop smoking alltogether.

Finally, in the UK for example, e-cigarettes products are highly controlled. So the chance to find "illegal" and dangerous ingredients is very small. And of course, countries like Thailand where it is illegal but you can find anyway absolutely everywhere, you have absolutely no clue what you are using, most products being made in obscur places in China. And as we all know, it is for sale everywhere,very easy to find, including for young people. So how keeping e-cigarettes illegal can be good for people's health? It is only good for the tobacco industry, which only object is to make huge profits regardless. Or for a government to keep cashing out taxes. Not for people.

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

2 hours ago, Thaiger said:

Several experts

Definition: Experts

X - Unknown Factor 

Sperts - Drips under pressure 

[TheDirtyDurian]

E-cigs are very popular in Saudi these days. Was chatting to some guys about Thailand the other day, and explained how vapes are illegal but you can buy ganja on every corner practically. 

Hard to comprehend. Amazing  Thailand! 

[Pinga]

Vaping in general should be made legal and regulated for safety (quality E-juice, not the crap full of questionable chemicals). Anyone should be able to kill themselves slowly in their own homes however they prefer.

Having said that - it should be reinforced and enforced that vaping is illegal in places where smoking is prohibited - the biggest problem in Thailand nightlife today is the sheer number of people who will blow vapor right in your face with zero consideration or even comprehension that there are harmful substances in this vapor. I've had to remind friends 20 times (each person) before they finally remembered to keep it away from me - and these are friends - strangers don't know nor give a ****. You can say it's "safe" all you want - for me it sends me into massive fits of choking and coughing, and makes it hard to breath the next day or two. Maybe I'm sensitive or allergic - but that's exactly the point - it's not harmless and people should be aware it's not.

[HiuMak]

Vaping, weed and cigarettes should be treated similarly.

Give these guys a contained room and they can smoke all they want. first-hand, second-hand and third-hand.

Nobody wants to be around them and smells like shit and be a second-hand smoker.