Thursday Covid-19 update: 7,058 new infections, 75 deaths

[Thaiger]

Thailand records a depressing new high today, with a record 7,058 new infections and 75 Covid-related deaths. 68 infections are from Thai prisons. This is the highest number of new cases and deaths this month, as concern grows over the highly contagious Delta variant, which is expected to become the dominant strain in the Kingdom by the end of the month. The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration has yet to rule a lockdown in or out, other than to say the option remains on the table. Assistant spokesperson Apisamai Srirangson says the number of new infections may reach 10,000 a […]

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[gummy]

The inevitable increase in cases unfortunately.

[HolyCowCm]

And things haven't even started to get going yet. Like to see the real numbers but that ain't gonna happen.

[9S_]

Lockdown will happen after the July weeklong vacation. Until then it will already be too late. 

[Remi]

I worry when I see headlines like this , should it read Covid related deaths.

This is a catch 22 situation testing has increased with a test kit which if not used right will give false positives. Which is giving a picture of a situation that is out of control.

On the other hand the kingdom is trying to promote Thailand as holiday destination.

There something is not right with this picture.

[gummy]

2 minutes ago, Remi said:

I worry when I see headlines like this , should it read Covid related deaths.

This is a catch 22 situation testing has increased with a test kit which if not used right will give false positives. Which is giving a picture of a situation that is out of control.

On the other hand the kingdom is trying to promote Thailand as holiday destination.

There something is not right with this picture.

Well the issue is possibly that the figures provided by the government have never been right.  Random testing to acknowledged standards never happened either so I suspect it is almost a certainty that the real numbers throughout the country are unknown.

However to put things into some sort of perspective the UK government will be opening up the UK this month, a country with a similar sized population although with a slightly higher median age. Yesterday there were questions  asked in parliament.  They are predicting 100,000 new covid infections in August ! that's right 100,000 and they are opening up - but, the level of vaccinations is extremely high in the UK so it is considered a manageable scenario at it gets people back to an almost normal lifestyle.

But here, as you say they want to open up to tourists  whom  may have had their two vaccinations yet most of the population here have not even had one. Now that is a sure fire way of ensuring loss of control and loss of life.

You are right something is wrong with this picture here in Thailand. Yet the picture of the general population succumbing to illness and possibly death is a picture this administration either can not see or if it does, gives scant regard to, as it appears  the main aim is in ensuring their own cronies and supporters can profit from it in any way possible ensuring the wealthy and/or  corrupt can enrich themselves further.

[Stonker]

34 minutes ago, 9S_ said:

Lockdown will happen after the July weeklong vacation. Until then it will already be too late. 

The extra holiday on July 27 was cancelled at the end of last month, so there's no longer a week's holiday just one day which may be quieter than expected.

[gummy]

15 minutes ago, Stonker said:

The extra holiday on July 27 was cancelled at the end of last month, so there's no longer a week's holiday just one day which may be quieter than expected.

But Monday the 26th is still a holiday as is the 28th so bet a lot of people will still travel for a very long weekend, especially Bangkokians because they just love to spread it  themselves across country.  Looks like Pattaya, Hua Hin and Petchbun are going to take some more hits this time from them unless the province governors put to a stop to it.

[Stonker]

33 minutes ago, Remi said:

This is a catch 22 situation testing has increased with a test kit which if not used right will give false positives. Which is giving a picture of a situation that is out of control.

The picture is that the situation's out of control, agreed, but as far as I know testing hasn't increased.  The numbers tested have been steady for months, and there've been no additional testing facilities as there are still only some 250 testing centres (including mobiles).

 

You may have made a typo / missed a comma, as the tests haven't changed. If used according to the manufacturers' instructions, which despite what's regularly claimed here are as easy to follow correctly as using a set of bathroom scales, the tests are accurate to within a small fraction of a percent and false positives are very rare.

[Stonker]

18 minutes ago, gummy said:

But Monday the 26th is still a holiday as is the 28th so bet a lot of people will still travel for a very long weekend, especially Bangkokians because they just love to spread it  themselves across country.  Looks like Pattaya, Hua Hin and Petchbun are going to take some more hits this time from them unless the province governors put to a stop to it.

Fair one, but but as you point out provincial governors may act - although I think that's unlikely, at least for Pattaya.

[Abertillery]

Should have had a full lockdown earlier,including malls, cafes, restaurants where people mingle ,get a grip now before it explodes,

Phuket open, tourists positive with covid ,the group now have to isolate 

[RWD]

Guys n Gals Don't panic.  the fatality ratio is only 1.06% of the confirmed cases, 0.0001% of the total Thai population, and 0.79% of the total confirmed illnesses.  To put it into perspective NZ (at 28th June) had a total of 26 deceased but a positive test/fatality ratio of 0.95%.  The only thing outta control is the media hype about the total number of cases.  Without high numbers of cases the human race would be unable to achieve herd immunity, and that's totally irrespective of vaccine rollouts.  Just look at what's happening in the USA.  Great rollout of vaccine (despite conspiracy theorists) but still really high numbers of confirmed infections.   BUT the general rule is we are all gonna die...Well!  but not all of us from this 

[stuhan]

They're afraid of starting lockdowns coz of damaging  the economy , what about the cost of lives.Start short term lockdowns, travel restrictions within Thailand  and get their act together with vaccinations or this could get totally out of control. Its no good them burying their heads in the sand hoping this virus will just go away ,it wont  as long as we allow it to spread .

[RWD]

Just one more thing people who are panicking...  If you get Civid there is a 99% chance you WILL NOT DIE...OK?  Despite the pandemic and the societal and workplace changes which is seeing more people self isolate and work from home, more people still die on the roads every single day in Thailand..... And for those who believe the government as a whole is conspiring to allow people to catch and die from this disease you should not post those opinions... Or the little green aliens will take you away and make you pregnant.

[Jason]

Thailand was once in a better situation that my own country. In Australia, it took lockdowns in Melbourne to control our worst outbreak. Now Sydney is at a critical point and in lockdown with the Delta variant and Brisbane has had a few short lockdowns, one last week. The only way to stop signifigant spread is through lockdowns to break the chains of transmission and give Contact Tracers a chance to chase down infections and isolate them. It's time for a consolidated effort to bring the numbers down, particularly when vaccine rollouts have been so slow, as they have been in my country. I wish you well.

[Soidog]

5 hours ago, Stonker said:

The picture is that the situation's out of control, agreed, but as far as I know testing hasn't increased.  The numbers tested have been steady for months, and there've been no additional testing facilities as there are still only some 250 testing centres (including mobiles).

You may have made a typo / missed a comma, as the tests haven't changed. If used according to the manufacturers' instructions, which despite what's regularly claimed here are as easy to follow correctly as using a set of bathroom scales, the tests are accurate to within a small fraction of a percent and false positives are very rare.

Do you have a source showing what the actual number of tests each day are? It’s impossible to know how serious things are when they are only showing detected cases. 

[Soidog]

3 hours ago, RWD said:

Just one more thing people who are panicking...  If you get Civid there is a 99% chance you WILL NOT DIE...OK?  Despite the pandemic and the societal and workplace changes which is seeing more people self isolate and work from home, more people still die on the roads every single day in Thailand..... And for those who believe the government as a whole is conspiring to allow people to catch and die from this disease you should not post those opinions... Or the little green aliens will take you away and make you pregnant.

Totally agree, but that’s not your only risk with Covid. If you allow it to run wild then the hospitals will be overwhelmed. Where will you go then if you have a road accident, a heart attack, feel a lump you need looking at or have severe food poisoning. All of these are knock on and consequential impacts of an out of control pandemic. It is in EVERYONES interest to sort this situation, whatever it takes, including lockdowns to buy time. 

[Luigi]

use serious vaccines no synovac 

[gummy]

12 minutes ago, Luigi said:

use serious vaccines no synovac 

Has anybody who has had the Pfizer vaccine complained about stiffness ?

[BlueSphinx]

5 minutes ago, gummy said:

Has anybody who has had the Pfizer vaccine complained about stiffness ?

Yes, but of the benign kind... ;)

[BlueSphinx]

29 minutes ago, Soidog said:

Do you have a source showing what the actual number of tests each day are? It’s impossible to know how serious things are when they are only showing detected cases. 

... and please don't call positive tests CASES.  In the NewSpeak jargon of the covid-sociopaths every positive test is called a 'case', which is the medical term when you have a disease.  But in the absence of a standard for the number of cycles that need to be conducted, many labs keep 'cycling' way over the max of 30 cycles for the PCR test to provide any meaningful outcome.  At 45 cycles 95% of those that tested positive on the PCR test are false positives.  And it has been PROVEN that in the UK the authorities fiddled with those cycle-times to provide the results they needed to confirm the narrative that aligned with their plans.

[Stonker]

4 hours ago, RWD said:

Guys n Gals Don't panic.  the fatality ratio is only 1.06% of the confirmed cases, 0.0001% of the total Thai population, and 0.79% of the total confirmed illnesses.  To put it into perspective NZ (at 28th June) had a total of 26 deceased but a positive test/fatality ratio of 0.95%.  The only thing outta control is the media hype about the total number of cases. 

It's very easy to "put it into perspective" by cherry picking stats to suit your pre-conceived case, but it doesn't actually paint a true picture.

 

For example:

 

The chances of you dying from Covid are twenty times higher than the chances of an American or British serviceman being killed on overseas operations, including in Iraq and Afghanistan, between 2001 and 2015.

 

Twenty times higher.

 

Does that mean those servicemen and women who put their lives on the line didn't have anything to worry about and they could have all relaxed and enjoyed the scenery?

I don't think so.

 

(stats available on request)

[Stonker]

8 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

.. and please don't call positive tests CASES.  In the NewSpeak jargon of the covid-sociopaths every positive test is called a 'case', which is the medical term when you have a disease. 

Why not, since what the medical term says is exactly what these are?

 

10 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

But in the absence of a standard for the number of cycles that need to be conducted, many labs keep 'cycling' way over the max of 30 cycles for the PCR test to provide any meaningful outcome. 

There is no "absence of a standard".  This is a myth which is totally untrue and has no grounding in reality, and is just a mis-reading of a memo from the WHO, deliberately taken out of context. 

 

The "standard" is set by the manufacturers of the PCR tests and varies between manufacturers depending on the duration and temperature of each cycle and the methods used, so rather than setting a "standard" number of cycles the WHO simply said they should be done "in accordance with manufacturers instructions".

 

The tests aren't all identical, conducted in the exact same way, so there can't be a "standard" number of  cycles - to suggest there should be is misunderstanding how the tests are done.  

 

20 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

At 45 cycles 95% of those that tested positive on the PCR test are false positives. 

Very true - but who uses 45 cycles as a standard apart from the conspiracy theorists in their imagination?  This is just smoke and mirrors as most are 35 - 40 cycles.

33 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

And it has been PROVEN that in the UK the authorities fiddled with those cycle-times to provide the results they needed to confirm the narrative that aligned with their plans.

"PROVEN" ?  By whom? 

I believe very little the British government says, but as far as I'm aware that particular claim isn't true.

[Stonker]

 

5 hours ago, RWD said:

Without high numbers of cases the human race would be unable to achieve herd immunity, and that's totally irrespective of vaccine rollouts. 

Sorry, but that's simply untrue - a high number of cases isn't necessary to reach herd immunity for Covid-19 or any other virus as it can be achieved by effective vaccine rollouts - look at polio for a simple but clear example.

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Thailand was once in a better situation that my own country. In Australia, it took lockdowns in Melbourne to control our worst outbreak. Now Sydney is at a critical point and in lockdown with the Delta variant and Brisbane has had a few short lockdowns, one last week. The only way to stop signifigant spread is through lockdowns to break the chains of transmission and give Contact Tracers a chance to chase down infections and isolate them. It's time for a consolidated effort to bring the numbers down, particularly when vaccine rollouts have been so slow, as they have been in my country. I wish you well.

Exactly.

 

Lockdowns aren't about solving the problem but are just a way (the only way) to buy time and get a breathing space until enough people are vaccinated.

 

It's hardly rocket science