News Forum - Superpowers fight for supercomputer supremacy

[Thaiger]

Sanctions designed to cripple China’s chipmakers are the US weapon of choice, as skirmishes begin in the superpowers’ fight for supercomputer supremacy. The current most-favoured US target for fear, hatred and sanctions – China’s  semiconductor industry – has good reason to worry about the world’s policeman, now turned world’s store detective. The US will do almost anything to keep its competing superpower as far behind as possible.  In October, Washington announced the most far-reaching controls yet, pretty much banning exports of chips to China by all companies, everywhere, using US “tools” or software (MS Word, anyone?). According to the BBC, Washington’s […]

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[Poolie]

Eventually Amerika is going to sanction itself out of existence.

[ExpatPattaya]

"Chipmakers are locked a cycle of making yet more advanced chips to support yet more new products."  

More new products no one really needs.  The cycle of consumerism and planned obsolescence continues.  10 years down the road, everything will be made by AI robots and the Terminator wars will begin!  

[Poolie]

1 minute ago, ExpatPattaya said:

"Chipmakers are locked a cycle of making yet more advanced chips to support yet more new products."  

More new products no one really needs.  The cycle of consumerism and planned obsolescence continues.  10 years down the road, everything will be made by AI robots and the Terminator wars will begin!  

Spot on. Anything involving America inevitably involves war.

[Soidog]

One of the main reasons the CCP want their grubby violent hands on Taiwan. Certainly not to improve the living standards of Taiwanese people and all to do with the semiconductor industry in Taiwan. 

[Grumpish]

It won't make any difference, China will just continue to steal the technology. 

[Poolie]

And of course, registering patents for everything they 'steal.'

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/patents-by-country

[Soidog]

52 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

It won't make any difference, China will just continue to steal the technology. 

Of course. That is how China has progressed technologically so quickly they are now at a stage where they have enough technological know how to continue to develop. The mistake made by governments around the world was to believe what the lying two faced CCP said decades ago. A massive mistake by democratic governments and we are starting to reap what we sowed decades ago. 

[Soidog]

14 minutes ago, Poolie said:

And of course, registering patents for everything they 'steal.'

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/patents-by-country

So this means the following by population:

China 0.049% 

US 0.179%

Japan 0.4%

South Korea 0.5%
 

So what exactly is your point? The Chinese need to get a move on. I wonder how many of those patents are next step developments of stolen technology? 

[JamesR]

6 hours ago, ExpatPattaya said:

"Chipmakers are locked a cycle of making yet more advanced chips to support yet more new products."  

More new products no one really needs.  The cycle of consumerism and planned obsolescence continues.  10 years down the road, everything will be made by AI robots and the Terminator wars will begin!  

No problem, we will be able to travel back in time and fix the problem, Arnie said he is up for the job, the only problem being there will then be a race to perfect the best time machine, that will create lots of different parallel universes so if we don't like this one we can time machine into the next one.

[JamesR]

2 hours ago, Grumpish said:

It won't make any difference, China will just continue to steal the technology. 

Those of you with some education will laugh at this comment and already know of the vast amount of science, technology, knowhow and skills the West has taken from China for over a thousand years or more, the West called it their own and then modified it. 

[Soidog]

31 minutes ago, JamesR said:

Those of you with some education will laugh at this comment and already know of the vast amount of science, technology, knowhow and skills the West has taken from China for over a thousand years or more, the West called it their own and then modified it. 

Oh well. That’s alright then. You cheated as a society a thousand years ago and so we will do the same in 2022. What next, trials for witches by throwing them in a river and see if they float? 
 

If the justification for illegal behaviour is to drag something up from history hundreds of years ago when such matters didn’t break international laws, then we may as well give up now. Anyway, my chimney needs sweeping. Where are the local 6 year old kids when you need one! 

[Grumpish]

44 minutes ago, JamesR said:

Those of you with some education will laugh at this comment and already know of the vast amount of science, technology, knowhow and skills the West has taken from China for over a thousand years or more, the West called it their own and then modified it. 

I am laughing at you comment, now go and collect your 50 cents. I will give you the printing press and gunpowder (although the myth of the Chinese not using gunpowder as a weapon of war is just that, a myth), but overall the Islamic scholars, before the Islamic world turned inwards on itself, made a far greater contribution.  

[oldschooler]

Third Thaiger Editor BS strike out  today … 

CCP semi- conductors are irrelevant being a decade behind Taiwan SC tech……. So another stupid article … again… 

[EdwardV]

15 hours ago, Thaiger said:

Sanctions designed to cripple China’s chipmakers are the US weapon of choice, as skirmishes begin in the superpowers’ fight for supercomputer supremacy.

It's misleading statement to say the least:

The US has sharpened its assault on China’s technology industry with a flurry of export bans and stifling restrictions on companies, an escalation that leaves Beijing with few options to retaliate. Washington’s moves are part of a longer-term strategy to prevent China from dominating the industries of the future and arming its military with advanced weaponry, while also securing its tech supply chain by enticing chipmakers to set up shop in the US. President Joe Biden’s administration this week escalated those efforts to hobble its main geopolitical competitor, blacklisting dozens of Chinese tech firms, while signs emerged Japan and the Netherlands are aligning with US restrictions on selling crucial chipmaking equipment to China, a major blow to Beijing’s ambitions to produce advanced semiconductors. In response, China has accused the US of protectionism, lodged a complaint with the World Trade Organization and courted chip-making powerhouse South Korea, a key US ally.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/biden-s-china-tech-crackdown-leaves-xi-with-few-ways-to-hit-back/ar-AA15mfM2?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=de6d2c6cf19b4d1c8a61a32384c70135

The US makes high end chips, while China makes low end ones. What is happening is the US kneecapping China's semiconductor future, which in turn will kneecap China's military. Problem is there isn't much China can do about it. The WTO complaint is meaningless. Not only will it take a decade to play out. The US will just do what the Chinese do and ignore the result. The US has ready used the same language the Chinese do when saying the issue is about national security and therefore doesn't have standing. 

[Soidog]

41 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

What is happening is the US kneecapping China's semiconductor future, which in turn will kneecap China's military.

I sincerely hope so.

[oldschooler]

21 hours ago, JamesR said:

Those of you with some education will laugh at this comment and already know of the vast amount of science, technology, knowhow and skills the West has taken from China for over a thousand years or more, the West called it their own and then modified it. 

Absurd. Ancient Rome / Greece and Europe after 1500 level or ahead of Ancient China in most aspects. China  isolated itself too much and stagnated badly. Invented Silk, Paper, Printing, Gunpowder but crucially did not develop, modernize, mass produce or create small firearms. 

Nothing significant transferred from Ancient China to Modern West since around 1200 ad. China no where with modern science- tech -industry starting 1650 in West   Europe…… Steam, Steel Constructions, Ships, Weapons, Medicine, Scientific Method, Enlightenment.

[oldschooler]

21 hours ago, Grumpish said:

I am laughing at you comment, now go and collect your 50 cents. I will give you the printing press and gunpowder (although the myth of the Chinese not using gunpowder as a weapon of war is just that, a myth), but overall the Islamic scholars, before the Islamic world turned inwards on itself, made a far greater contribution.  

“ Islamic” Scholars were all non- Arabs forced to adopt that Conquering Arab Religion from birth just as all great European minds of old were “Catholic” by force. 

Many great minds in advanced civilizations heavily influenced by, and maintaining Greek and Roman ( European) knowledge in fact, in advanced societies in places like Syria, Persia and Egypt, where home- grown ancient knowledge had long gone,  before being conquered by Arabs bringing Islam. 

[oldschooler]

19 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Third Thaiger Editor BS strike out  today … 

CCP semi- conductors are irrelevant being a decade behind Taiwan SC tech……. So another stupid article … again… 

and China ain’t no “ superpower”. Only USA Is.

CCP China is assessed by experts as a Level 3 Regional Power like France Russia India. UK is the only Level 2 Global Power. USA is the sole Level 1 Super Power. 

[Chatogaster]

On 12/17/2022 at 6:47 PM, Poolie said:

And of course, registering patents for everything they 'steal.'

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/patents-by-country

 

How does that link support your claim? I've got a couple of granted patents and they're just (almost) obvious extensions/combinations of existing technologies. Perhaps - if you dig deep enough back in history - some of those building blocks (or their ancestors) may turn out to be based on 'stolen' ideas. 

Even if that would be that case, I wouldn't care; the end-results remain novelties. Same for China; they certainly (not perhaps) stole many ideas and initially they were exploited by copy-cat industries. That's still ongoing, but aside from that China has been coming up with new and sometimes brilliant ideas for the last (2-3?) decades . 

You may not like the regime over there or the history that got it there (I don't either), but the world needs bright ideas, and (based on your link) it seems to be working.