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[Soidog]

15 minutes ago, Cg66 said:

Other than Chechnya and Georgia, all the other areas welcomed the Russian intervention

So what are you saying? That Putin and Russia are doing the right thing by invading Ukraine and killing its people? I’m just trying to be clear on where you stand on this? 

[Cg66]

4 hours ago, Soidog said:

So what are you saying? That Putin and Russia are doing the right thing by invading Ukraine and killing its people? I’m just trying to be clear on where you stand on this? 

After doing research into the country‘s history I come down 100% on Putins side. This could have been voided if the west had listened to the many many warnings that Putin gave to the United Nations and the world Security Council. They only had to guarantee that Ukraine would never join NATO and remain a neutral country and this would never of happened. Before you mention any rubbish about them not wanting to join NATO, Poroshenko wrote the aspiration of joining NATO into the Ukrainian constitution in 2015. You talk about Russia killing people, yet what about the 15,000 people, that number comes from the United Nations, that have been killed by shelling the Donbass area since 2014, ignoring the two Minsk agreements. Look what is happening in Bosnia at the moment. The west illegally bombed the country in 1999, set up a load of agreements with Serbia in 2008, and now they are actively pushing Bosnia into persecuting Serbian Albanians, ignoring all the agreements signed which was supposed to stop this. NATO wants Bosnia to kick out any Serbs leaving the population able to vote for joining the NATO club. Many still refer to NATO as a defensive organisation. Laughable. The puppet master is the USA, The country that is currently funding 23  proxy wars around the world. They talk about democracy and “world rules based order’, making rules up and then ignoring them when they don’t suit. Very little is said about the 1.1 million people killed in  the illegal interventions in Iraq alone ,conflicts in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Ukraine and are currently starting on Peru, to name just a few. Is easy to look in One Direction and One Direction only. Ukraine good, Russia bad. That is the narrative. The USA is still stealing $13 billion of oil every year from Syria. Too many have a blinkered vision of what is going on. Open your eyes.

[Fanboy]

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

You have a very blinkered view of what is happening. The population of Sweden and Finland do not want to join NATO. As in all of Europe there seems to be an elite that is making decisions to the detriment of their population with Little concern for what their electorate wants. looking on I consider Putin as having acted very honourably when it comes to living up to contracts to supply energy despite the west seizing $300 billion that they had in western bank accounts. apparently Russia blew up their own €32 billion pipeline and are currently killing their own people to try and blame it on the Ukrainians! they also have rusty guns and have run out of missiles! There is a narrative, as there was with Covid, vaccines, net zero and climate change. Do you believe that as well?

The population of Sweden and Finland do not want to join NATO. The elite are making decisions? What facts do you base this on? RT news.... lol

Sweden and Finland are democracies and the majority want this. 

You must be confused with Russia where the Elites make the decisions. Why is it that Putin only sends poor people to their death in Ukraine.

And Putin never lies.....

After all he said all along he would not attack Ukraine - then he did....

He said it was a 3 day special operation - well past 3 days now....

He said there would be no mobilization - now it never stops...

The list of lies he makes never end and seems like you believe them all...

Like you claiming he lived up to his contract to supply energy. Never happened... 

What did happen is he shut off supplies to Europe. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/energy-crisis-why-has-russia-cut-off-gas-supplies-to-europe.html

You don't seem to know much about what is going on or is it still a 3 day special operation???

[Fanboy]

1 hour ago, Cg66 said:

After doing research into the country‘s history I come down 100% on Putins side. This could have been voided if the west had listened to the many many warnings that Putin gave to the United Nations and the world Security Council. They only had to guarantee that Ukraine would never join NATO and remain a neutral country and this would never of happened. Before you mention any rubbish about them not wanting to join NATO, Poroshenko wrote the aspiration of joining NATO into the Ukrainian constitution in 2015. You talk about Russia killing people, yet what about the 15,000 people, that number comes from the United Nations, that have been killed by shelling the Donbass area since 2014, ignoring the two Minsk agreements. Look what is happening in Bosnia at the moment. The west illegally bombed the country in 1999, set up a load of agreements with Serbia in 2008, and now they are actively pushing Bosnia into persecuting Serbian Albanians, ignoring all the agreements signed which was supposed to stop this. NATO wants Bosnia to kick out any Serbs leaving the population able to vote for joining the NATO club. Many still refer to NATO as a defensive organisation. Laughable. The puppet master is the USA, The country that is currently funding 23  proxy wars around the world. They talk about democracy and “world rules based order’, making rules up and then ignoring them when they don’t suit. Very little is said about the 1.1 million people killed in  the illegal interventions in Iraq alone ,conflicts in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Ukraine and are currently starting on Peru, to name just a few. Is easy to look in One Direction and One Direction only. Ukraine good, Russia bad. That is the narrative. The USA is still stealing $13 billion of oil every year from Syria. Too many have a blinkered vision of what is going on. Open your eyes.

With Russia invading an threatening all of its neighbors you can pretty well bet there is now a long list who want to join NATO. Joining NATO has nothing to do with US. It has to do with Russia threatening its neighbors constantly then lying when they say they will not attack. No one trusts Russia any more.

Are you even aware what the Russian diplomat for Khazastan said lately?

He said on TV that Russia should use nukes on that country and seize land from the NAZIs who run the country. He complained about Russophobia in the country. Russia seems to be making all their neighbors hate them as Russophobia is indeed rising in every country.

 

[JamesR]

12 hours ago, Fanboy said:

The west and NATO creeping to Russia?

Both Russia and the West are trying to get other countries to join their own alliance.

The reason NATO and the West have grown is maybe because Russian tries to get you to join by holding a gun to your head while NATO says you are free to choose.

Why do you think Finland and Sweden now want to join NATO?

They were neutral forever but now they simply do not trust Russia or Putin any more. 

Russia's problems are their own doing and their people  with their self interest and apathy to politics allowed things to become they way they are. Putin did not do this on his own and the Russian citizen will pay for many years for Russia's forever damaged reputation.

"Both Russia and the West are trying to get other countries to join their own alliance."

Exactly, the 'goodies' are the ones who's actions are beneficial to us and the 'baddies' are those who are not.

Every country in the world follows the same principles.

And alliances shift, we were best mates with the Russians during WW2, that soon changed.

We the West are always are correct in our righteousness, killing a few million innocent people in Vietnam was of course justified as we are the 'goodies' and they at the time were the 'baddies'.

 

[Poolie]

18 minutes ago, JamesR said:

"Both Russia and the West are trying to get other countries to join their own alliance."

Exactly, the 'goodies' are the ones who's actions are beneficial to us and the 'baddies' are those who are not.

Every country in the world follows the same principles.

And alliances shift, we were best mates with the Russians during WW2, that soon changed.

We the West are always are correct in our righteousness, killing a few million innocent people in Vietnam was of course justified as we are the 'goodies' and they at the time were the 'baddies'.

Still are, to this day.

https://www.britannica.com/question/How-has-Agent-Orange-affected-Vietnamese-people

[Cg66]

4 hours ago, Fanboy said:

With Russia invading an threatening all of its neighbors you can pretty well bet there is now a long list who want to join NATO. Joining NATO has nothing to do with US. It has to do with Russia threatening its neighbors constantly then lying when they say they will not attack. No one trusts Russia any more.

Are you even aware what the Russian diplomat for Khazastan said lately?

He said on TV that Russia should use nukes on that country and seize land from the NAZIs who run the country. He complained about Russophobia in the country. Russia seems to be making all their neighbors hate them as Russophobia is indeed rising in every country.

4 hours ago, Fanboy said:

With Russia invading an threatening all of its neighbors you can pretty well bet there is now a long list who want to join NATO. Joining NATO has nothing to do with US. It has to do with Russia threatening its neighbors constantly then lying when they say they will not attack. No one trusts Russia any more.

Are you even aware what the Russian diplomat for Khazastan said lately?

He said on TV that Russia should use nukes on that country and seize land from the NAZIs who run the country. He complained about Russophobia in the country. Russia seems to be making all their neighbors hate them as Russophobia is indeed rising in every country.

NATO countries in 1990, 12. NATO countries today 30. What became of those promises in 1990, 1996 and beyond about not takingOne step further Eastwood? Russia never talks about using nuclear weapons. Their language is that they will use whatever means necessary. It’s the western mediathat misquotes anything said. Russia, according to the Western media, is still looking to take over Europe and the world!all they are trying to do, similar to the USA in the Cuban missile crisis, is to defend their borders. I’m amazed how, despite being caught out lying many many times in the past, there are still those that unquestioningly believe everything the western media puts out. Hilarious how the Italian media got caught out three days ago, showing footage of Russia bombarding civilian areas in Ukraine, then having to retract it because it was Ukrainians bombing Russian civilians in the Dombass area!

 

[Rookiescot]

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

After doing research into the country‘s history I come down 100% on Putins side. This could have been voided if the west had listened to the many many warnings that Putin gave to the United Nations and the world Security Council. They only had to guarantee that Ukraine would never join NATO and remain a neutral country and this would never of happened. Before you mention any rubbish about them not wanting to join NATO, Poroshenko wrote the aspiration of joining NATO into the Ukrainian constitution in 2015. You talk about Russia killing people, yet what about the 15,000 people, that number comes from the United Nations, that have been killed by shelling the Donbass area since 2014, ignoring the two Minsk agreements. Look what is happening in Bosnia at the moment. The west illegally bombed the country in 1999, set up a load of agreements with Serbia in 2008, and now they are actively pushing Bosnia into persecuting Serbian Albanians, ignoring all the agreements signed which was supposed to stop this. NATO wants Bosnia to kick out any Serbs leaving the population able to vote for joining the NATO club. Many still refer to NATO as a defensive organisation. Laughable. The puppet master is the USA, The country that is currently funding 23  proxy wars around the world. They talk about democracy and “world rules based order’, making rules up and then ignoring them when they don’t suit. Very little is said about the 1.1 million people killed in  the illegal interventions in Iraq alone ,conflicts in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Ukraine and are currently starting on Peru, to name just a few. Is easy to look in One Direction and One Direction only. Ukraine good, Russia bad. That is the narrative. The USA is still stealing $13 billion of oil every year from Syria. Too many have a blinkered vision of what is going on. Open your eyes.

This is good stuff.

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

After doing research into the country‘s history I come down 100% on Putins side.

Shocked I am.

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

This could have been voided if the west had listened to the many many warnings that Putin gave to the United Nations and the world Security Council. They only had to guarantee that Ukraine would never join NATO and remain a neutral country and this would never of happened.

They did. France and Germany gave assurances to Putin they would veto any Ukrainian application to join. Did Putin listen? No he did not. He wanted to capture the Ukraine because of his own aggressive expansionist agenda.

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

Before you mention any rubbish about them not wanting to join NATO, Poroshenko wrote the aspiration of joining NATO into the Ukrainian constitution in 2015.

What the Ukraine wanted and what it gets are two different things. See my post above.

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

You talk about Russia killing people, yet what about the 15,000 people, that number comes from the United Nations, that have been killed by shelling the Donbass area since 2014, ignoring the two Minsk agreements.

Thats 15000 casualties on BOTH sides including a Malaysian passenger jet Russia shot down.

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

Look what is happening in Bosnia at the moment. The west illegally bombed the country in 1999, set up a load of agreements with Serbia in 2008, and now they are actively pushing Bosnia into persecuting Serbian Albanians, ignoring all the agreements signed which was supposed to stop this. NATO wants Bosnia to kick out any Serbs leaving the population able to vote for joining the NATO club.

Really? NATO is doing all that? You will of course have evidence to back this up?

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

Many still refer to NATO as a defensive organisation. Laughable. The puppet master is the USA, The country that is currently funding 23  proxy wars around the world.

Again a bold assertion which is not based in reality and let us not forget that when it comes to funding proxy wars Russia is WAY ahead of anyone else.

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

Very little is said about the 1.1 million people killed in  the illegal interventions in Iraq alone ,conflicts in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Ukraine and are currently starting on Peru, to name just a few.

Would you care to put a figure on the number of people killed by Russias illegal interventions in many of those same countries? How about adding Chechnya and Georgia to the list as well. How many died under Stalins reign? 

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

Is easy to look in One Direction and One Direction only.

Personally I never liked them as I'm not into boy bands but whatever floats your boat mate.

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

Ukraine good, Russia bad. That is the narrative.

Thats the facts not the narrative. Russia illegally invaded the Ukraine and has since tried to illegally annex its territory. Just like it did with the Crimea.

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

The USA is still stealing $13 billion of oil every year from Syria.

Evidence for that?

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

Too many have a blinkered vision of what is going on. Open your eyes.

No I dont think you have blinkers on. I think you have a very clear agenda to blame everyone and everything rather than acknowledge the war in the Ukraine would not be happening right now if it was not for Putin. You can spin it however you want but thats the truth.

Can I also introduce you to the concept of paragraphs. Just in case you decided to post more Russian propaganda. 

[Soidog]

6 hours ago, Cg66 said:

After doing research into the country‘s history I come down 100% on Putins side. This could have been voided if the west had listened to the many many warnings that Putin gave to the United Nations and the world Security Council. They only had to guarantee that Ukraine would never join NATO and remain a neutral country and this would never of happened. Before you mention any rubbish about them not wanting to join NATO, Poroshenko wrote the aspiration of joining NATO into the Ukrainian constitution in 2015. You talk about Russia killing people, yet what about the 15,000 people, that number comes from the United Nations, that have been killed by shelling the Donbass area since 2014, ignoring the two Minsk agreements. Look what is happening in Bosnia at the moment. The west illegally bombed the country in 1999, set up a load of agreements with Serbia in 2008, and now they are actively pushing Bosnia into persecuting Serbian Albanians, ignoring all the agreements signed which was supposed to stop this. NATO wants Bosnia to kick out any Serbs leaving the population able to vote for joining the NATO club. Many still refer to NATO as a defensive organisation. Laughable. The puppet master is the USA, The country that is currently funding 23  proxy wars around the world. They talk about democracy and “world rules based order’, making rules up and then ignoring them when they don’t suit. Very little is said about the 1.1 million people killed in  the illegal interventions in Iraq alone ,conflicts in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Ukraine and are currently starting on Peru, to name just a few. Is easy to look in One Direction and One Direction only. Ukraine good, Russia bad. That is the narrative. The USA is still stealing $13 billion of oil every year from Syria. Too many have a blinkered vision of what is going on. Open your eyes.

So typically, lots of “whataboutaries” and deflection of one sided data on other conflicts.

On the Ukraine issue; as this is the point of this thread, it wasn’t just about NATO membership in isolation, it was also that Ukraine wished to join the EU. The  democratic decision to amend the Ukraine constitution passed in 2019 by a vote of 334-17.
https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-parliament-passes-constitutional-amendment-to-reflect-eu-nato-aspirations/29756695.html

See how this works? Ukraine is a democracy. A sovereign state. They took a democratic vote in its democratic parliament and it passed by a massive majority. They did what many other countries decided to do and others will soon follow. 

So because maniac Putin wasn’t happy and demanded Ukraine, in perpetuity remain a buffer zone country, he started an invasion of this sovereign country.  And you support that action. That’s fine @Cg66. You are entitled to your opinion. If you are the kind of person to align your support to the actions taking place to innocent men, women and children in Ukraine, then nothing I can say will change your mind. The damage to you has already taken place many years ago I suspect. 

[KaptainRob]

Thread locked as it has run off the rails ....

... you all know where to discuss the war and this News topic is not it.