News Forum - Father dies trying to save son from teenage gang

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Father’s Day for one Thai family turned into a tragedy this year after a father died trying to save his son from an attack by a teenage gang in the Klong Luang district of Pathum Thani province. Officers from Klong Luang Police Station and a rescue team rushed to the Liap Klong Song Road in Pathum Thani at 3.30am yesterday, December 5, to rescue four victims from a sedan car that hit a tree on the roadside. The rescuer team had to use a metal cutting machine on the sedan to pull out the four victims. Three of the passengers, […]

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[HolyCowCm]

I am sorry to hear this. Unfortunately most all Thai do not ever know how to control a vehicle correctly under most circumstances and this is the end result. By the look at the picture of the car the passengers are lucky to b alive (I think), but they might be severely injured and or deformed from it which is going to haunt the mfor the rest of their lives. These trivial ongoing never ending gang squirmishes I just do not understand and never will. 

[Wackamole]

3 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

I am sorry to hear this. Unfortunately most all Thai do not ever know how to control a vehicle correctly under most circumstances and this is the end result. By the look at the picture of the car the passengers are lucky to b alive (I think), but they might be severely injured and or deformed from it which is going to haunt the mfor the rest of their lives. These trivial ongoing never ending gang squirmishes I just do not understand and never will. 

They were literally in an action movie scene. I'm not sure why you need to go to "most Thais no vehicle control". I'd actually bet they'd do better on average than foreign drivers in this kind of situation. Better training

[Saunk]

7 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

I am sorry to hear this. Unfortunately most all Thai do not ever know how to control a vehicle correctly under most circumstances and this is the end result. By the look at the picture of the car the passengers are lucky to b alive (I think), but they might be severely injured and or deformed from it which is going to haunt the mfor the rest of their lives. These trivial ongoing never ending gang squirmishes I just do not understand and never will. 

Such a strange comment given the circumstances.  Let me guess, you're a westerner with the driving skills of James Bond and you view those poor brown people as people who just don't know how to drive.

[HolyCowCm]

2 hours ago, Saunk said:

Such a strange comment given the circumstances.  Let me guess, you're a westerner with the driving skills of James Bond and you view those poor brown people as people who just don't know how to drive.

I said the majority lack the-skills to know how to really control a vehicle properly under most circumstances. Including my 1/2 and 1/2 kids who have just started driving within a few to couple of years. And for your information, driving years and years upon years in the USA does make one a better driver for the most part.  Instantly driving every day.  Mountains, valleys, ice, snow, heavy rain and high winds, with long long driving trips and lots of off road. Let’s keep the term brown people out of it. I am sorry the father died, but the situation and driving skills were the end to his life and possibly ruining his passengers too by the look if the wreck. 

[Soidog]

6 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

I said the majority lack the-skills to know how to really control a vehicle properly under most circumstances. Including my 1/2 and 1/2 kids who have just started driving within a few to couple of years. And for your information, driving years and years upon years in the USA does make one a better driver for the most part.  Instantly driving every day.  Mountains, valleys, ice, snow, heavy rain and high winds, with long long driving trips and lots of off road. Let’s keep the term brown people out of it. I am sorry the father died, but the situation and driving skills were the end to his life and possibly ruining his passengers too by the look if the wreck. 

You are never from from being hit by the race card from people who have nothing else to say. It isn’t getting beyond a joke, it’s already well past a joke. Why can’t people just debate the issues rather than look for racism that isn’t there? 

[Wackamole]

1 hour ago, Soidog said:

You are never from from being hit by the race card from people who have nothing else to say. It isn’t getting beyond a joke, it’s already well past a joke. Why can’t people just debate the issues rather than look for racism that isn’t there? 

But but but!! Both the original post and the follow up are full of condescending nonsense that cannot be explained in too many ways. How do you not see it? What debate is there to be had once someone starts like that?

[Soidog]

7 hours ago, Wackamole said:

But but but!! Both the original post and the follow up are full of condescending nonsense that cannot be explained in too many ways. How do you not see it? What debate is there to be had once someone starts like that?

I’m very interested in debating claims of racism so happy to do so with you. 
 

If you can be specific as to what you consider racist comments then happy to talk it through. I suspect you are referring to the comment that most Thais don’t know how to control a vehicle properly? How is that a racist comment? Have you considered that it could be a fact?  Let’s assume it is a fact for a second. Calling out a negative issue that relates to a country or it’s people who happen to have a different ethnic background or skin colour does not change that fact and hence it’s not racist. It’s just a fact.

The problem with the world today and its claims of racism are fuelled by the fact that the majority (not all)  of developed nations are also predominately populated by white people. That’s just a fact. Consequently when we talk about crime, corruption, education standards, poverty, road fatalities, etc etc, it is inevitable that the negative aspects relate to non-white nations. That doesn’t change the facts. 

[Wackamole]

4 hours ago, Soidog said:

I’m very interested in debating claims of racism so happy to do so with you. 
 

If you can be specific as to what you consider racist comments then happy to talk it through. I suspect you are referring to the comment that most Thais don’t know how to control a vehicle properly? How is that a racist comment? Have you considered that it could be a fact?  Let’s assume it is a fact for a second. Calling out a negative issue that relates to a country or it’s people who happen to have a different ethnic background or skin colour does not change that fact and hence it’s not racist. It’s just a fact.

The problem with the world today and its claims of racism are fuelled by the fact that the majority (not all)  of developed nations are also predominately populated by white people. That’s just a fact. Consequently when we talk about crime, corruption, education standards, poverty, road fatalities, etc etc, it is inevitable that the negative aspects relate to non-white nations. That doesn’t change the facts. 

 

I'm not afraid to say Thailand has a higher proportion of awful drivers than maybe any (I kind of hope so, for the sake of other countries) other country. But it's a cultural thing. The rules are not enforced or the penalties are laughable so nobody even tries. Which is basically what you're getting at also.

It has nothing to do with them not being able to control their vehicle, which is what holycow was saying. If anything, it's obvious that the traffic here being so chaotic will result in greater car control skills, unless you consider the people inferior for some mysterious reason.

 

[Soidog]

1 minute ago, Wackamole said:

It has nothing to do with them not being able to control their vehicle, which is what holycow was saying.

Sorry, but I think it has. In developed countries we are taught to “read the road ahead”. To anticipate upcoming issues such as traffic merging. We are also told about breaking distances and how this changes in wet weather. We are also instructed that you should steer in to a skid and pump the break (cadence breaking) which allows the car to steer as well as break (modern traction control and ABS largely overcomes this).  Many people go on to take advanced driving courses or courses in off-road driving or specialised driving to suit the work they do. None, or very little of this is taught to Thais. Nothing racist about highlighting this fact wouldn’t you agree? 

[Wackamole]

12 hours ago, Soidog said:

Sorry, but I think it has. In developed countries we are taught to “read the road ahead”. To anticipate upcoming issues such as traffic merging. We are also told about breaking distances and how this changes in wet weather. We are also instructed that you should steer in to a skid and pump the break (cadence breaking) which allows the car to steer as well as break (modern traction control and ABS largely overcomes this).  Many people go on to take advanced driving courses or courses in off-road driving or specialised driving to suit the work they do. None, or very little of this is taught to Thais. Nothing racist about highlighting this fact wouldn’t you agree? 

I don't see how anything you mentioned trumps driving in Thai traffic daily. Much of it sounds kinda of delusional honestly like you're expecting most westerners to save their slides like pro drifters..

[Marc26]

14 hours ago, Soidog said:

Sorry, but I think it has. In developed countries we are taught to “read the road ahead”. To anticipate upcoming issues such as traffic merging. We are also told about breaking distances and how this changes in wet weather. We are also instructed that you should steer in to a skid and pump the break (cadence breaking) which allows the car to steer as well as break (modern traction control and ABS largely overcomes this).  Many people go on to take advanced driving courses or courses in off-road driving or specialised driving to suit the work they do. None, or very little of this is taught to Thais. Nothing racist about highlighting this fact wouldn’t you agree? 

As Whackamole said

People in the west hardly follow any if that

 

The one thing I do is steer into the skid

 

 

[KaptainRob]

6 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

People in the west hardly follow any if that

Well I do and so does my son and wife.  Mind you, I taught them both how to drive including all the principles of defensive driving.

Back in the day, aged 15 to 18, I cut my teeth on winding gravel roads after which I drove a mini-cab in London for a chunk of my near 24 month stay. 

Those who normally only drive in cities, perhaps like you M26, often don't develop country driving skills and we see it here too.  Conversely, you need enhanced city skills for Bangkok 

[Soidog]

5 hours ago, Wackamole said:

I don't see how anything you mentioned trumps driving in Thai traffic daily. Much of it sounds kinda of delusional honestly like you're expecting most westerners to save their slides like pro drifters..

Well on a day to day basis it doesn’t. But at times when you need driving skills then it comes in to play. Either way, what @HolyCowCm said was in no way racist. That’s my point. It was a fact that was being stated that Thai drivers don’t have as high a skill set at driving or handling a car that is out of control as people in the U.K. Many Thai drivers have never had any formal driving training at all, so how would they. it’s just a fact not a racist remark. 

[Soidog]

4 hours ago, Marc26 said:

As Whackamole said

People in the west hardly follow any if that

The one thing I do is steer into the skid

Don’t they? I certainly do and so do most people I know.
 

It’s not a debate over “west” vs Thai as such. This initial debate started when @Wackamole suggested a post by @HolyCowCmwas racist. I didn’t agree and often find people claim racism when all it is, is pointing out valid facts. I would argue and I think the statistics lend weight to it, that Thai drivers are not as good drivers as in many developed countries. This isn’t a racist comment, it’s just a fact. This is the only point I’m making. I’m not looking for debates about quality of roads or education or anything other than the comment made was NOT racist. Just plain old painful facts. And when people don’t like the facts these days, they all too often claim racism or some other “ism” and it’s not. 

[HolyCowCm]

2 hours ago, Soidog said:

Well on a day to day basis it doesn’t. But at times when you need driving skills then it comes in to play. Either way, what @HolyCowCm said was in no way racist. That’s my point. It was a fact that was being stated that Thai drivers don’t have as high a skill set at driving or handling a car that is out of control as people in the U.K. Many Thai drivers have never had any formal driving training at all, so how would they. it’s just a fact not a racist remark. 

Thank you. Exactly to the point of the point.