News Forum - Sex outside of marriage to carry one year jail sentence in Indonesia

[Thaiger]

Sex outside of marriage will result in a one-year jail sentence if lawmakers get their way tomorrow in Indonesia. In some of the most Draconian measures introduced in the Southeast Asian nation for decades, lawmakers are set to ratify changes to its criminal code tomorrow. Critics predict will send Indonesia back to the Dark Ages. The Semeru volcano erupted in Indonesia yesterday. It coughed its guts into the sky and forced the evacuation of nearly 2,000 people. If senior officials get their way it is expected a mass exodus from the nation of islands will be sparked. But sex outside […]

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[HolyCowCm]

Such lovely peacful pictures the article published.

 

[Soidog]

Yes, clearly a progressive country!  I’d happily take whatever economic downturn occurred if developed countries stopped trading with these countries. 

[Grumpish]

What is it with religions and their psycho-sexual hangups? Seems to be all about trying to hang guilt on people so that they have to pay the priests to intervene with whatever sky fairy it is that they worship. 

[KaptainRob]

Apparently this law will apply to visitors also but how would it be applied upon booking a double room?  Will newly wed tourists be required to show their marriage certificate if Passports don't show a matched surname?  Or do get shown to separate rooms .... ?

Young Indonesian s will be the ones most at risk of being caught with their pants down though it will not be good for tourism, especially Bali.

[Mazz11]

When I was in Vietnam some hotels were not what you would call 'guest friendly'. When arriving with your 'guest' which in my case was my girlfriend I was required to pay an extra 500,000VND even though I had booked a room for two persons.

I was told that some hotels would flat out deny access to your guest unless you were married but I did not witness this personally.

Other hotels didn't care if you took 10 guests into your room 

[Ivo_Shandor]

10 hours ago, KaptainRob said:

Apparently this law will apply to visitors also but how would it be applied upon booking a double room?  Will newly wed tourists be required to show their marriage certificate if Passports don't show a matched surname?  Or do get shown to separate rooms .... ?

Young Indonesian s will be the ones most at risk of being caught with their pants down though it will not be good for tourism, especially Bali.

Reuters says that the new rule also applies to foreigners, but will not take effect before three years, when the guidelines to implement it will be finalized.

[TheDirtyDurian]

On 12/5/2022 at 1:18 PM, HolyCowCm said:

Such lovely peacful pictures the article published.

Nothing wrong with a little spanking. 

Livens things up a bit sometimes... 

[Soidog]

If this is implemented for foreigners and not just permanent residents, then places like Bali will be financially ruined. It’s Indonesias choice of course. Just don’t complain or default on your loans when it does.  

[HolyCowCm]

1 hour ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

Nothing wrong with a little spanking. 

Livens things up a bit sometimes... 

Just different in culture and countries. I do find it odd though for this day and age. 

[Cabra]

The first case of a foreigner being charged under these new laws would send shock waves through the  Indonesian tourism industry. I had heard in a news report that the only people allowed to report offenses to the newly proposed marriage/co-habitation law are the family of the parties in question. 

[MrStretch]

Nothing like putting the spike to your international tourism business.

[jerm138]

13 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

Just different in culture and countries. I do find it odd though for this day and age. 

Odd? I find it barbaric and uncivilized. “Cultural differences” are no excuse for oppression. 

[HiuMak]

Pretty radical approach. Will probably see more young Indonesians considering not to get married.

[Manu]

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But sex outside of marriage isn’t the only oppressive legislation the government is trying to push through. Revisions to the code will also try to outlaw unmarried couples living together, insulting the president, and expressing views counter to the national ideology, known as the Pancasila.

It is unfortunately all too clear where this is going.

[Karolyn]

Most people who laugh at this, or shake their fists at it, are fine with age of consent laws - though the historical explanations or reasonings, underlying both laws, are deeply linked. Namely, protecting daughters from being despoiled, prior to their wedding day, lest she be worth less.

[Soidog]

This will never take effect. One or two regions may adopt it, but in the three years before it becomes low it will be heavily modified or ditched altogether. Certainly areas like Bali will be exempt. 
 

I read today that the Australian government have already asked questions and seeking clarification of what it means. Bali won’t want to lose the 1 million Aussies who visit the island each year. Mind you, there will always be those who say “doesn’t affect me as I’m married” and support the backward looking country. 

[SkyDogJack]

Only thing I can add to this discussion is in my work and travel in over 40 countries, if my wife was traveling with me, I always carried a certified copy of our marriage license.  Just a rule of thumb for me.  For what it is worth, back here in the USA, depending on the state laws vs federal laws and specifically regarding "public vs private" designation, it is totally legal to deny accommodations based on marriage status, specifically regarding religious freedoms.   I have personally never come across this, but then again, I'm pretty vanilla nowadays.  I also don't go out of my way to talk about my religion, in that being a Buddhist in a highly focused Christian country carries its own set of issues.  When I lived in Thailand, I found it amusing that my Thai friends were always surprised I'm a Buddhist.

As I mentioned, I don't take my freedoms here in the USA to have any relevance to other countries cultures or religions and their laws. 

We have a case right now before the U.S. Supreme Court which touches on just this kind of issue. We are not immune to religious rule of law even here in the USA.  Check it out.

Jack

https://apnews.com/article/california-bakersfield-government-and-politics-business-50d190f08128bb5ce4a198c1494c902d

https://apnews.com/article/religion-lawsuits-colorado-discrimination-deaccfb6277ac8671726398f0e40b761

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/wedding-cake-lawyer-back-to-supreme-court-in-new-same-sex-case