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Prince William and his wife Kate have arrived in the US for the first time in eight years, amid another racism scandal that has seen his godmother resign from the royal household. Susan Hussey, one of William’s six godmothers, recently resigned after repeatedly asking a black British woman where she was “really” from. According to France 24, the Prince and Princess of Wales landed at Boston’s Logan International Airport for a three-day trip that will focus on climate change. But, the recent scandal has been said to have largely overshadowed their efforts. A spokesperson for the royal couple commented on […]

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I have many origins and I am proud of them.

I also sometimes ask people I meet what their origins are and I am surprised by the answer of some people with an Asian, African or other face who answer me with a strong foreign accent and in bad French, that they are French.

And often in this case, I insist on knowing by explaining my multiple origins.

The question is in no way racist, the fact of not answering and denying one's origins and ancestors is highly racist!

I don't understand why the curious woman was fired while it's the woman who is ashamed of her origins, who denies them out of racism, who stayed!

 

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1 hour ago, PierreO said:

I have many origins and I am proud of them.

I also sometimes ask people I meet what their origins are and I am surprised by the answer of some people with an Asian, African or other face who answer me with a strong foreign accent and in bad French, that they are French.

And often in this case, I insist on knowing by explaining my multiple origins.

The question is in no way racist, the fact of not answering and denying one's origins and ancestors is highly racist!

I don't understand why the curious woman was fired while it's the woman who is ashamed of her origins, who denies them out of racism, who stayed!

There is a difference between having a discussion on someone's origins and asking someone "where are you from", followed by "where are you really from".

I have a bar in Thailand so I ask the question "where are you from" to people multiple times every day and get that question asked to me too obviously. A few days ago, I met this young black guy and like to anyone, I asked him where he was from, it was really a rethorical question to get the conversation started as I recognised straight away his strong South London accent. And then in the conservation, he got to tell me that his father was from Zimbabwe and his mother from Samoa, we had an interesting chat about it. However after the question "where are you from" and his answer "I am English", if I would have asked "really, where are you really from?", this would literally mean "really, you do not look like an English person, you are black", very understandably this is how this guy would have felt, no doubt, he would have repeated "I told you, I am English" in a different tone than his first answer. That's the difference, even if in 2022, it is hard to believe some people in the UK (or in France) would ask that question, but it is unfortunately the case. This is how Susan Hussey's question has been perceived and I am pretty certain this is what she meant too.

But the person who wrote the following article (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/30/buckingham-palace-where-are-you-from-black-british) explains this better than I could cause I am a white French person and when I answer "I am French", it is never followed by "where are you really from?".

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I have a feeling that this incident was blown out of proportion. Someone with a political agenda wanted to find offence where there was none. The history of the accused is that she was a Lady in Waiting and as part of her work, would find out  as much about people to brief the Queen so that when the Queen met them she could have a polite intelligent conversation. She reportedly had an exemplary life of public service. Now at the age of 83, she is publicly humiliated by Ngozi Fulani, the CEO of  Sistah Space, a domestic abuse charity specific for Black women who has made an allegation in respect to an uncorroborated brief conversation that may have been taken out of context.

Interesting  enough in the volley of  racism claims is that all the critics have ignored the fact that  Sistah Space is not welcoming to non African/Caribbean women. Don't ask for help if Asian or white or latina. Nice. The double standard and hypocrisy is obvious.   And of course the  obnoxious mouthpiece of Mr. & Mrs. Sussex,  Omid Scobie is all over this trying to make the link to the  couple.  

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1 hour ago, Manu said:

There is a difference between having a discussion on someone's origins and asking someone "where are you from", followed by "where are you really from".

I have a bar in Thailand so I ask the question "where are you from" to people multiple times every day and get that question asked to me too obviously. A few days ago, I met this young black guy and like to anyone, I asked him where he was from, it was really a rethorical question to get the conversation started as I recognised straight away his strong South London accent. And then in the conservation, he got to tell me that his father was from Zimbabwe and his mother from Samoa, we had an interesting chat about it. However after the question "where are you from" and his answer "I am English", if I would have asked "really, where are you really from?", this would literally mean "really, you do not look like an English person, you are black", very understandably this is how this guy would have felt, no doubt, he would have repeated "I told you, I am English" in a different tone than his first answer. That's the difference, even if in 2022, it is hard to believe some people in the UK (or in France) would ask that question, but it is unfortunately the case. This is how Susan Hussey's question has been perceived and I am pretty certain this is what she meant too.

But the person who wrote the following article (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/30/buckingham-palace-where-are-you-from-black-british) explains this better than I could cause I am a white French person and when I answer "I am French", it is never followed by "where are you really from?".

I think that is a very well balanced response. The only reservations I have in all of this, is that this woman has been to many such gatherings over the years, possibly hundreds and if she was racist it would have been self evident long before now. If this had been her first or second time meeting black people then perhaps it is racism? I think this is nothing more than an old lady faced with a black person wearing what looked like African attire trying to perhaps make small talk. We also only have the transcript as supplied by the accuser and some corroboration by people close by. We don’t have the tone or manner in which it is said. How often has a text we have sent to friends or posted on here caused issues which were never meant? 
 

The problem this old lady has and many of us now living in the so called Enlightened West have, is that we dare not even hint at anything remotely relating to race or ethnicity and it is far better to simply keep your mouth shut. This rule of course doesn’t apply to the vast majority of countries where they have kept their population identities pure. It’s odd,  as the same people who bemoan the U.K. and others as racist, then praise and support other countries for excluding foreigners and maintaining a pure race. Which is racist? 

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42 minutes ago, Soidog said:

I think that is a very well balanced response. The only reservations I have in all of this, is that this woman has been to many such gatherings over the years, possibly hundreds and if she was racist it would have been self evident long before now. If this had been her first or second time meeting black people then perhaps it is racism? I think this is nothing more than an old lady faced with a black person wearing what looked like African attire trying to perhaps make small talk. We also only have the transcript as supplied by the accuser and some corroboration by people close by. We don’t have the tone or manner in which it is said. How often has a text we have sent to friends or posted on here caused issues which were never meant? 
 

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I think this is nothing more than an old lady faced with a black person wearing what looked like African attire trying to perhaps make small talk.

Well that's the problem, it is probably not intentional, it is just normal to her and people of her kind after being told "I am British" to ask anyway "where are you really from"? It is not in her instant understanding that she could simply be British and needs and is proud of and certainly has the right to be treated as such without any further questioning. The answer "I am British" should have been enough.

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The problem this old lady has and many of us now living in the so called Enlightened West have, is that we dare not even hint at anything remotely relating to race or ethnicity and it is far better to simply keep your mouth shut. This rule of course doesn’t apply to the vast majority of countries where they have kept their population identities pure. This rule of course doesn’t apply to the vast majority of countries where they have kept their population identities pure. It’s odd,  as the same people who bemoan the U.K. and others as racist, then praise and support other countries for excluding foreigners and maintaining a pure race. Which is racist? 

To me there is only one race, the human race. And there are national identities (the concept of nation is not really that old), mine is French. And there is no such a thing as "pure" (people who bemoan? who do you have in mind?), humans have been moving about on this planet since humans are on this planet, our little time on this planet is just a drop in the ocean and we are not responsible of being born where we were, all the million of precedent generations of humans are. But is there a better way to explain this but with the good British sense of humour?

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3 minutes ago, Manu said:

(people who bemoan? who do you have in mind?)

Many people, especially in the media would claim the U.K. is racist. They also claim the institutions such as the Police are racist and many examples of politicians being called racist. Many companies run training courses on “unconscious bias” aimed at people who may not think they are racist who are “educated” to show they are. All of this sets the mood that the U.K. is racist. Look at this incident and how it has become global news. I didn’t see the same global outcry when a Thai minister referred to dirty Farangs (Dirty foreigners). 
 

Look at how the media lambast and bemoan the U.K. for the way they are handling migrant boat people. Giving them safe escort. Putting them in a hotel room. Giving them medical inspections and making sure they have three meals a day. Didn’t hear the same outcry in the way SE Asian countries deal with boat people from war torn Myanmar. 

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The Charity Boss, who was so upset by the comments of a clearly out of touch, old fashioned, old in age, living in rare society out of the mainstream her whole life biddy;  needs to get a life and stop being so idiotically sensitive.  The media also needs to grow up, but never will.  It wasn't racist at at, it says nothing about the Royal family and absolutely nothing about supposed racism in UK society.  It was the silly questioning of a silly old biddy, nothing more.  We need to be much more concerned with racism in the UK Police Force than this none story. 

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16 minutes ago, Soidog said:

Many people, especially in the media would claim the U.K. is racist. They also claim the institutions such as the Police are racist and many examples of politicians being called racist. Many companies run training courses on “unconscious bias” aimed at people who may not think they are racist who are “educated” to show they are. All of this sets the mood that the U.K. is racist. Look at this incident and how it has become global news. I didn’t see the same global outcry when a Thai minister referred to dirty Farangs (Dirty foreigners). 
 

Look at how the media lambast and bemoan the U.K. for the way they are handling migrant boat people. Giving them safe escort. Putting them in a hotel room. Giving them medical inspections and making sure they have three meals a day. Didn’t hear the same outcry in the way SE Asian countries deal with boat people from war torn Myanmar. 

Ah the media, well who cares then? It shows the UK is an important and popular country (especially anything related to the royals) and nobody gives a toss about Thailand. There is no more racists in the UK (and I know the UK very well) then in my country France or any country around the world: pure common sense. Any other thought on the subjet is BS or, like Vigo mentioned above, political agendas by certain groups. These groups are communitarist and this is what kills many countries in the Western World: communitarism. Nevertheless, racism exists, it is just as bad as these groups (very often racist themselves), and both should be put at the same level of awfulness.

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So many people are so easily offended these days and it has turned into a weapon that the liberal left use to their advantage, then out comes the "you are racist" remark. The UK has fallen for it hook, line and sinker, the UK is one of the least racist countries in Europe, only second to Malta. 

So many on the left are a nasty piece of work and spend their lives looking for fault so they can claim to be offended, if you are so sensitive that the least thing upsets you..... don't leave the house would be my best advice. 

This woman Ngozi Fuloni (real name Marlene Headley) must have been wired up awaiting to set someone up and she snared an 83 year old lady who was not trying to offend anyone, the world has become full of hatred and is so spiteful these days, but that's diversity for you, it is there to enrich all our lives. 

Ms Headley runs a charity for blacks only.....says it all really. 😕

 

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