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Pattaya police are continuing their crackdown on nightlife and entertainment venues, but now with a new target: overstaying tourists. In the wake of the meth-fueled daycare centre massacre, police all over the country have been raiding venues and parties and cracking down on drug use. They have also been checking clubs for illegal operations, such as staying open past curfew. Now police are looking for foreigners who have stayed past the dates of their visa or visa exemption. On Friday night, police and immigration descended on Pattaya Walking Street. They searched several clubs and go-go bars in the popular nightlife […]

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4 hours ago, Thaiger said:

In the wake of the meth-fueled daycare centre massacre,

Yes beware , those overstating tourists are all psyco killers on meth.

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6 hours ago, Thaiger said:

In the wake of the meth-fueled daycare centre massacre,

Previous reports suggested that he was drug free at the time and only had a drug history.

OOPs my apologises to all  - Sorry I forgot truth and reality are so flexible here.

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It's patriotism at its "best", i.e. "If any crime is to be committed, it'll be us doing the committing."

Sure, a fraction of all overstayers support themselves by committing crimes, but so does a fraction of all Thai people aged 22 yrs + 56 days weighing 63.21 kilograms.

I find it hard to believe that (percentage-wise on the national crime scene) overstayers are the group to target most efficiently, even if normalized. Same goes for the silly example I gave, but that was just to show that it it takes a bit of work to determine the optimal route). 

Without providing supporting statistics, it just seems to be a case of someone having found a popular acceptable excuse to hunt a personally non-favored minority.

 

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54 minutes ago, TedG said:

How many people overstay?   Is it really a big problem? 

2 years ago, according to my Immigration office, there were over 3,000 over stayers just in the Isaan area alone.

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So we're back to police state and random police raids. Great going - that'll make the tourists want to come. Surely there are less invasive ways to locate and arrest/deport overstayers. They know who they are - the records are there - so why not go after the "bad foreigners" specifically instead of annoying everyone in the process? Ahh I forget - less headlines that way.

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typical over-reaction and another demonstration of their incapacity to rules things normally

this country is really at the mercy of pyschos :)

 

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Most of those farangs overstaying in Thailand are criminals from their own country so they can hide forever, drug addicts and gangster. Thai government needs to do a background check on them.

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Every person who has or wants a visa should want overstayers punished

 

They make the system much harder for people who do the right thing to obtain visas

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6 hours ago, Marc26 said:

Every person who has or wants a visa should want overstayers punished

They make the system much harder for people who do the right thing to obtain visas

Visas have an expiry date and only allow travel to a port of entry in Thailand and request permission of the entry clearance officer to enter Thailand. Your length of stay granted by the entry clearance officer on arrival in Thailand is determined by the Visa type subject to Thailand's Immigration Act. This is known as your ‘permission of stay’.

It's this permitted stay that you can extend, subject in cases to financial requirements.
Over stayers, regardless of whether they acquired a visa, or not, have neglected to apply to extend their stay.

The validity of a visa, is totally different to the period of stay.

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1 hour ago, Faz said:

Visas have an expiry date and only allow travel to a port of entry in Thailand and request permission of the entry clearance officer to enter Thailand. Your length of stay granted by the entry clearance officer on arrival in Thailand is determined by the Visa type subject to Thailand's Immigration Act. This is known as your ‘permission of stay’.

It's this permitted stay that you can extend, subject in cases to financial requirements.
Over stayers, regardless of whether they acquired a visa, or not, have neglected to apply to extend their stay.

The validity of a visa, is totally different to the period of stay.

My point was overatayers effect people who obey the requirements 

 

Overstayers make Immigration be more strict on visas overall

 

So if you are a person who lives on a visa/permit, you should applaud overstayers being punished

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1 hour ago, Marc26 said:

My point was overatayers effect people who obey the requirements 

Overstayers make Immigration be more strict on visas overall

So if you are a person who lives on a visa/permit, you should applaud overstayers being punished

Most over stayers are actually Lao, Cambodian and Myanmar nationals according to my IO.
They come and go via bi lateral agreements, no visas required.

For others, there is no need to be on overstay even if they don't meet the financial requirements.
While Thailand operates open border policies, they create practices of overstaying and working illegally.

I don't condone over stayers, but they hardly affect those that stay here legally.

 

 

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On 11/6/2022 at 4:43 PM, DoUKnowWhoIAm said:

Yes beware , those overstating tourists are all psyco killers on meth.

As I read the OP it was the journalist who made that connection not the authorities. More outrageous stories generate more traffic. Most foreigners won’t have their passports with them in a club anyway so I doubt the police will escort everyone back to their hotel to inspect their passports. Cops have been raiding nightclubs for drugs for years so I don’t see anything new. I suspect that this is a non issue but some people seem to be offended by the possibility that the authorities might actually ask to see their passport. Who cares? Just carry a copy of your photo page on your phone and carry your driving license in your wallet. I will be surprised if that won’t suffice. Now if the tourists have been naughty and don’t want to pee in a cup that’s a different matter but at least they won’t have to worry about testing positive for weed anymore.😂😂😂

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12 hours ago, Faz said:

I don't condone over stayers, but they hardly affect those that stay here legally.

I think that’s true. Everyone who overstays is putting themselves at risk more than others as they may not be able to obtain a visa in future and may get a nasty stamp in their passport that affects their ability to get a visa for other countries. I know that you can’t apply for a TE visa if you have overstayed within the three years prior to application. If I remember correctly overstaying can be dealt with quite easily by paying a fine on departure but the penalties ramp up if you get caught in country. That means if you keep your head down you should be okay so breaking the law and getting arrested is the easiest way to get in trouble.

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On 11/6/2022 at 7:26 PM, Chatogaster said:

Without providing supporting statistics, it just seems to be a case of someone having found a popular acceptable excuse to hunt a personally non-favored minority.

I don’t think it’s a big deal. If the cops raid a club for drugs like they have been doing for years and check the  IDs of all Thais in the club why shouldn’t they check the foreigners ID too? The UK FO recommends that you keep your passport secured when overseas but carry an alternative form of photo id so it shouldn’t be a big deal to have to prove your ID

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