News Forum - Man escapes death after pickup slams into unfinished drain in Thailand

[Thaiger]

A pickup driver was lucky to escape with his life after his vehicle crashed into an unfinished water drain on a poorly lit road in Nakhon Pathom, in central Thailand. The driver walked away from the accident relatively unscathed after his vehicle had careered into the ditch in treacherous rainy conditions. The incident happened on the Malai Man Road in Kam Paeng Saen District of Nakhon Pathom at about 1am yesterday. Residents living nearby informed the media that it was raining very hard on Wednesday night and into the early hours of Thursday morning. They heard the sound of a […]

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[DoUKnowWhoIAm]

40 minutes ago, Thaiger said:

Residents complained that the construction of the water drainage system should have been finished after a month but have dragged on for three months.

It's raining to much now, wait until after the rainy season ended

[cowslip]

Road engineering and traffic engineering in Thailand is non existent. Any workings that are on or near rods in Thailand are hardly ever sufficiently marked and almost ALL road markings in Thailand disappear in rain or poor light.

[palooka]

We have at least one a week of these sort of accidents locally, radius 20 kms, but it is usually from a blown rear tyre on a pickup loaded with more that a 3 ton truck should carry. 

You can tell which rear tyre blew out by the rubber marks and whether they went into the left ditch or cleaned up the centre divider. 

Strangely a lot happen near U turn areas.

[Giltee]

20 hours ago, Khunwilko said:

Road engineering and traffic engineering in Thailand is non existent. Any workings that are on or near rods in Thailand are hardly ever sufficiently marked and almost ALL road markings in Thailand disappear in rain or poor light.

The construction company should be made liable for that accident. Theres little signage, barriers and warning lights of the road works. Too many cowboys do roadworks here and I’ve seen it numerous times where there’s little to no road cones with reflectors, decent barriers and signage that can be seen. 

[cowslip]

1 hour ago, Giltee said:

The construction company should be made liable for that accident. Theres little signage, barriers and warning lights of the road works. Too many cowboys do roadworks here and I’ve seen it numerous times where there’s little to no road cones with reflectors, decent barriers and signage that can be seen. 

I've had thai friends stay with me in the UK and one of the things that amazes then is the vast number of cones used in road works. This is a sign of the advanced planning etc that goes into these operations - unfortunately Thailand doesn't seem to have any trained traffic engineers so this need gets done.

 

the is a ruling in English law from 1960s that originated from someone running into some road work structures at night.

The judge ruled that "if you have an erection in the road at night, you must hang a red light on it"

Thailand could learn from this.

[cowslip]

20 hours ago, palooka said:

You can tell which rear tyre blew out by the rubber marks and whether they went into the left ditch or cleaned up the centre divider. 

I'm afraid this is a terrible suggestion - any RTI needs to be scientifically analysed - sadly there is none of this in Thailand ....yet.

in order to properly address any future road safety policies 

Thailand needs to adopt a crash reporting system...

 

Crash report forms in Thailand are a rarity. These are typically completed  for collection of quite detailed information on a crash. Without this information, one can’t even start to tackle Thailand’s road safety problems. (traditionally they were a paper-based form, but now computer-based systems are used),

Key information includes: location, time and date; those involved (road user type, age, gender, injury sustained); details of the road (e.g. intersection, speed limit, curvature, traffic control, markings); details of the environment (light conditions, weather, road surface wet or dry etc.). Account of the crash (vehicle movement, objects struck (including off-road), and contributory factors such as speed, alcohol use or driver distraction);vehicle factors (type of vehicles involved).

 

 

 

 

 

 

[palooka]

3 hours ago, Khunwilko said:

any RTI needs to be scientifically analysed - sadly there is none of this in Thailand ....yet.

And not for many years to come either. If you are in your 30s you may live to see a change.

[cowslip]

25 minutes ago, palooka said:

And not for many years to come either. If you are in your 30s you may live to see a change.

At present there are a few moves being made - on their own they ae nothing but I do believe they indicate the beginning of a sea change. It took Western Europe the best part of 40 years to achieve this - but at least Thailand has a model to go on.

 

there are plenty of organisation both inside and outside Thailand that are aware of what needs doing - it's just that we have such a blinkered, ill-informed and conservative government in power

the biggest call of all is to reform the police and the court system - or at least set up and train a proper traffic police force - this is almost a constitutional measure

Edited August 6, 2022 by Khunwilko

[Faz]

On 8/6/2022 at 3:42 PM, Khunwilko said:

The judge ruled that "if you have an erection in the road at night, you must hang a red light on it"

Surely not!

[Vigo]

On 8/6/2022 at 4:42 PM, Khunwilko said:

I've had thai friends stay with me in the UK and one of the things that amazes then is the vast number of cones used in road works. This is a sign of the advanced planning etc that goes into these operations - unfortunately Thailand doesn't seem to have any trained traffic engineers so this need gets done.

the is a ruling in English law from 1960s that originated from someone running into some road work structures at night.

The judge ruled that "if you have an erection in the road at night, you must hang a red light on it"

Thailand could learn from this.

Thailand does have the trained professionals. It also has access to international safety standards.

The issue is that Thai public road work construction contracts do not set out safety requirements and there is no enforcement.  Even if a reference is made, the construction companies do not comply because they do not wish to  spend the money. Once again, this is a situation of the protection of society being  neglected to benefit the financial interests of a small select group of people. 

In Thailand, we will never see a political leader or a journalist approach a construction company owner or senior executive and ask why there are no precautions used. Asking such things can be career ending, or at worse, fatal.

[cowslip]

4 hours ago, Faz said:

Surely not!

Absolutely true!

[cowslip]

 

1 hour ago, Vigo said:

Thailand does have the trained professionals. It also has access to international safety standards.

Disagree - firstly you don't define what you regard as "professionals" - I'm referring to road design and TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. You are simply referring to those who instruct the roads - which as you say are devoid of sufficient regard to safety - this does from "professional" designers and traffic engineers - of which there seems a dearth in Thailand.

Secondly I specifically stated that the Thai authorities have access to both NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL organisations that promote safety standards.

 

Here are some of the organisations who are seemingly perpetually ignored by successive governments

 

·      The World Health Organization (WHO)  - https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/thailand/roadsafety/overview-en-final-25-7-19.pdf?sfvrsn=f9d7a862_2

·      Save the children Thailand - https://thailand.savethechildren.net/sites/thailand.savethechildren.net/files/library/Save%20the%20Children’s%20Work%20in%20Road%20Safety%20-%20The%207%25%20Project_1.pdf

·      ThaiRoads Foundation - http://www.thairoads.org/en/

·      International Road Assessment Program (iRAP) and Chulalongkorn University - https://irap.org/2018/11/new-thai-centre-of-excellence-chulalongkorn-university/

·      The Embassy of Sweden is coordinating a group called “the Embassy Friends of Road Safety (EFRS) - https://scandasia.com/tag/the-embassy-friends-of-road-safety-efrs/

·      Thailand Road Safety Observatory, TRSO -=http://www.atransociety.com/resources/pdf/pdfResearch2013-2018/2014/Project2014-006(Dr.Paramet).pdf

·      Arrive Alive - Association of Southeast Asian Nations Regional Road Safety Strategy and Action Plan (2005–2010) - https://www.adb.org/publications/arrive-alive-asean-regional-road-safety-and-action-plan-2005-2010

·      ASEAN TRANSPORT STRATEGIC PLAN 2016-2025 - https://www.itf-oecd.org/asean-transport-strategic-plan-2016-2025-and-progress-road-safety-initiatives

·      EU/ASEAN - https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/eu-and-asean-exchange-knowledge-and-best-practices-road-safety_en

·      Australia, Safe System Solutions  - https://www.austrade.gov.au/news/success-stories/australian-consultancy-helps-improve-road-safety-in-thailand

·      Bloomberg Philanthropies Initiative for Global Road Safety - https://www.bloomberg.org/public-health/improving-road-safety/

·      Office of Transport & Traffic Policy & Planning(OTP), Ministry of Transport - https://www.mot.go.th/about.html?dsfm_lang=EN&id=12

·      Thai RSC. - Accident road safety Data for Thailand - http://www.thairsc.com/eng/

·      World Bank - https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2019/03/26/working-towards-improving-road-safety-and-saving-lives-in-thailand