Demand vaccine accountability!

[facthai]

 

Enough is enough! Phra Yut promised us mass vaccine rollout on June 7.

 

To date, Thailand has no locally-produced vaccines. Nor has the junta provided any transparency as to 1) how many doses (& what kind) we have, 2) how many more (& what kind) are coming, 3) when will they arrive, and from where.

 

We need transparency, if not from the junta or from Siam Bioscience, then from AstraZeneca.

 

What happened to June 7? If this is simply a delay, when is production expected?

 

Did Siam BS screw up production? (No fault, so did int’l pharma giant J&J!)

 

Not only have we lost all confidence in government but, as our Covid situation deteriorates, now we’ve lost hope for vaccines.

 

TELL US NOW!

 

[ChristyS]

  Frankly I am suspect of any AZ formula made in a facility that  never made a vaccine before, andof ourse Sinovac is  looking like about  1- 20% at best against Bet a nd Delta variants .  I'll just continue masking up and limited outings to Tesco only  

 I   came  across Novavax 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/  

.. which is flying under the radar- sadly.   90 % efficacy, old type not m-RNA and no  special cold storage needed.  It hit the trials  on the down slope  in US so didn't get the hype of the sparkly vaccines like Pfizer as it's  old school,  which I would actually prefer.  IMO the  m-RNA 's weren't  fully tested and well  if something works as well and just like a tetanus or flu shot, I would  prefer it.  

 I might get my wish, as I am finding it impossible to register for the Phuket  vaccine rollout- been waiting 11 days now  Did get a hold of the DEPA who run the "Phuket Must Win" registration site  [that name; eye roll]  but their suggestion  to  contact Line @PhuketWin is impossible as I explained to them in my initial query. Ugh so frustrating- guess I need to   buy a new  phone  with enough capacity to handle it, but.. simply cannot right now and am told the Line contact  whatever it is doesn't help- either. 

[facthai]

Vaxx should be provided to everyone in Thailand for free, just like other developed nations. There's not enough vaccine supply & that's on Phra Yut. Shortsighted, arrogant, greedy.

It will be a long time coming. If we're lucky, Covid will subside within the three-year period of Spanish flu--April 2024. I don't see vaxx changing that.

I'm limiting my outings to the fruit trucks in abundance of our street & the closest Makro, a two-click walk.

[ChristyS]

19 minutes ago, facthai said:

Vaxx should be provided to everyone in Thailand for free, just like other developed nations. There's not enough vaccine supply & that's on Phra Yut. Shortsighted, arrogant, greedy.

It will be a long time coming. If we're lucky, Covid will subside within the three-year period of Spanish flu--April 2024. I don't see vaxx changing that.

I'm limiting my outings to the fruit trucks in abundance of our street & the closest Makro, a two-click walk.

Be careful of those fruits trucks- I've seen plenty of maskless people crowding around them. I've begun washing EVERYTHING  in soap and water. I figure if you're touching it to peel  it, like an orange, then handling the segments or cutting through skin, like a mango then particles could be lurking on your knife or fingers. 

 People touch the fruit, smell it  then put it back, and it gets touched by the vendor who is also handling money.  I am in Phuket but unable to get a vaccination so extra careful. I've also seen people at Makro  picking up grapes, smelling them, even crushing them and then  putting them back. Clueless. 

[ChristyS]

This latest from the Phuket Must Win registration website is contradictory -is it still available or not ?

If I go down to immigration to sort out the TM-30  ( or 29?) BS , I have to arrange for a   pony-sitter ( bad neighbor boy trespasses) and pay for a cab as I'm not taking a scooter all the way  there - about 45 minutes drive there and then back again .

Then I have to convince them to allow me to register the exact same address I've been in since 2012 except I cannot get an original signed copy of my lease this time-landlord is out of the country noting they have gotten this 3 times before. No doubt they will want to fine me, too. So  is it too late  to get a  vaccination or not? Because if it is, I'm not bothering  with the hassle and expense at Immigration.   

[HolyCowCm]

38 minutes ago, ChristyS said:

If I go down to immigration to sort out the TM-30  ( or 29?) BS , I have to arrange for a   pony-sitter ( bad neighbor boy trespasses) and pay for a cab as I'm not taking a scooter all the way  there - about 45 minutes drive there and then back again .

That would be so annoying. Get a dog and the dog bites kid then you are in trouble. Don't get a dog and kid is in your stuff. Maybe time to put some glass or bob or razor wire up? Immigration is just some of the unpleasant stuff we have to do here with sometimes a catch 22 involved.. good luck.

[AussieBob]

4 hours ago, facthai said:

Vaxx should be provided to everyone in Thailand for free, just like other developed nations. There's not enough vaccine supply & that's on Phra Yut. Shortsighted, arrogant, greedy.

It will be a long time coming. If we're lucky, Covid will subside within the three-year period of Spanish flu--April 2024. I don't see vaxx changing that.

I'm limiting my outings to the fruit trucks in abundance of our street & the closest Makro, a two-click walk.

Based on spanish flu - 3.5 years and 4 waves worldwide - covid should be far less of a problem in April/May 2023. I hope.

 

[AussieBob]

4 hours ago, ChristyS said:

This latest from the Phuket Must Win registration website is contradictory -is it still available or not ?

If I go down to immigration to sort out the TM-30  ( or 29?) BS , I have to arrange for a   pony-sitter ( bad neighbor boy trespasses) and pay for a cab as I'm not taking a scooter all the way  there - about 45 minutes drive there and then back again .

Then I have to convince them to allow me to register the exact same address I've been in since 2012 except I cannot get an original signed copy of my lease this time-landlord is out of the country noting they have gotten this 3 times before. No doubt they will want to fine me, too. So  is it too late  to get a  vaccination or not? Because if it is, I'm not bothering  with the hassle and expense at Immigration.   

Good time to leave premises and rent a new one with better neighbours - if the owner cannot scan and send you a copy tell them you will leave - plenty of rentals available now but very few takers (I am told). 

[snapdragon]

16 minutes ago, AussieBob said:

Based on spanish flu - 3.5 years and 4 waves worldwide - covid should be far less of a problem in April/May 2023. I hope.

The 'Spanish Flu' lasted for a longer period than is commonly thought.

In my opinion, the Spanish Flu started earlier during WW1 and didn't tail off until the 1920s.

It definitely was not, again my opinion, caused by a virus or air-bound germ. Although the authorities did everything to persuade the populous it was.

Masked 'protection' against the Spanish Flu.

 

 

[ChristyS]

9 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

That would be so annoying. Get a dog and the dog bites kid then you are in trouble. Don't get a dog and kid is in your stuff. Maybe time to put some glass or bob or razor wire up? Immigration is just some of the unpleasant stuff we have to do here with sometimes a catch 22 involved.. good luck.

It's 4 rai -1600 meters  If I had that kind of spare cash I'd shoot the brat and pay his family [JOKE]   

[ChristyS]

6 hours ago, AussieBob said:

Good time to leave premises and rent a new one with better neighbours - if the owner cannot scan and send you a copy tell them you will leave - plenty of rentals available now but very few takers (I am told). 

   TM-30  should not be required unless I leave the country- which  I didn't. Just  Phuket Imm's usual BS

[BlueSphinx]

10 hours ago, ChristyS said:

   TM-30  should not be required unless I leave the country- which  I didn't. Just  Phuket Imm's usual BS

Unless you relocated to a different address (either in same or a different province), or re-entered Thailand on a new Visa, filing a new TM-30 should not be required.

A TM-30 is an official notification of your address (for immigration purposes) in Thailand.  When you are currently able to do your 90-day reports, which are nothing more than a confirmation that your official address for immigration purposes has not changed, this implies that your local IO has your TM-30 on file.  This because your local IO will not be able to approve those 90-day reports in absence of a filed TM-30. 

Unless you relocate to a different address or re-enter the country on a new Visa, you only need to file your TM-30 once.  Even when leaving the country and re-entering on a Re-Entry Permit, your filed TM-30 will stay valid.    

Edited July 5, 2021 by BlueSphinx

[HolyCowCm]

10 hours ago, ChristyS said:

It's 4 rai -1600 meters  If I had that kind of spare cash I'd shoot the brat and pay his family [JOKE]   

How old is he? I thought you were referring to your home as in a small living compound area as house. Maybe if you act like leaving, sneak back and record him doing just what you think he does, print it on paper of him doing it not once but many - several times (easy to show), then is it possible to confront his parents in a reasonable way? What is the little gnat after? Do you have vegetable and fruit? You need to be able to come and go without feeling violated. But you are in Phuket and southern people are notorious for having a hair pin trigger temper. For the vaccine me and my family don't want these 2 pushed vaccines and we don't support the great fibs they orchestrated from them of not bringing in the other sought over vaccines, and the even till this day the twisted non truth that keep coming out of reasons the vaccines are still not past square one to be imported. We would love to have them be held accountable for the delay and the real reasons, but that is never going to happen. Until then me and the family wait for our choice of jab and not what they want to give us. Good luck.

[SickBuffalo]

17 hours ago, snapdragon said:

In my opinion, the Spanish Flu started earlier during WW1 and didn't tail off until the 1920s.

It definitely was not, again my opinion, caused by a virus or air-bound germ. Although the authorities did everything to persuade the populous it was.

So, if not a virus, what do you think it was? Bacteria?

And, if not airborne or droplets, how did it spread?

 

Edited July 5, 2021 by SickBuffalo

[SickBuffalo]

22 hours ago, ChristyS said:

Be careful of those fruits trucks- I've seen plenty of maskless people crowding around them. I've begun washing EVERYTHING  in soap and water. I figure if you're touching it to peel  it, like an orange, then handling the segments or cutting through skin, like a mango then particles could be lurking on your knife or fingers.

After almost a year and a half, we now know that surface transmission is not a primary mode of transmission. The virus can be detected on surfaces but not in sufficient number to infect you. Droplets, initially disregarded, turned out to the major mode of transmission.

Continue washing everything in soap and water if it improves your sense of well-being, but it is not necessary.

The authorities in many countries have done a terrible job of communicating how spread actually occurs and revoking guidelines that are not useful. The extreme lengths that people go to reflects unnecessary fear, bordering on stress-induced OCD. For example, there is zero need to wear a mask when walking outdoors. The natural airflow rapidly disburses droplets and the UV rays kill the virus, which is extremely fragile.

There is little reason to worry in a well-ventilated room or supermarket. The two metre distancing rule was completely arbitrary, it really does nothing to protect you if you spend a prolonged time in a room that is not well-ventilated, such as stuck in a broken elevator next to an Italian who is singing, an Englishman cheering a soccer match on his phone, or an American talking softly.

Even if someone in your household gets infected, it is not always that case that everyone else in the household will get infected too.

Obviously, if you are over 70 or obese, yes, you should be as careful as possible, but most people have this whole thing out of proportion and are doing themselves more harm than good.

 

Edited July 5, 2021 by SickBuffalo

[snapdragon]

41 minutes ago, SickBuffalo said:

So, if not a virus, what do you think it was? Bacteria?

And, if not airborne or droplets, how did it spread?

 

The quick answer is that it was the result of the war.

[snapdragon]

12 hours ago, ChristyS said:

It's 4 rai -1600 meters  If I had that kind of spare cash I'd shoot the brat and pay his family [JOKE]   

Four rai is 6,400 square metres. One rai = 40m x 40m.

Edited July 5, 2021 by snapdragon

[SickBuffalo]

58 minutes ago, SickBuffalo said:

So, if not a virus, what do you think it was? Bacteria?

And, if not airborne or droplets, how did it spread?

 

15 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

The quick answer is that it was the result of the war.

That, my friend, was not a quick answer.

It was a non-answer.

[snapdragon]

12 minutes ago, SickBuffalo said:

That, my friend, was not a quick answer.

It was a non-answer.

I can give you a comprehensive reply, but better you read one of the many books written about the 'Spanish Flu'.

Edited July 5, 2021 by snapdragon

[SickBuffalo]

13 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

I can give you a comprehensive reply, but better you read one of the many books written about the 'Spanish Flu'.

Okay, look, I didn't mean to pin you down, but extraordinary claims do require some sort of explanation, not "go and read a book".

As it happens, around the start of the pandemic, I read The Great Influenza, probably the most comprehensive book on the Spanish Flu. Then, last month, I read Michael Lewis' most recent book.

So, what I can tell you with absolute certainty is that the Spanish Flu was a virus. Specifically, the H1N1 influenza A virus. As with all flu infections, it was exacerbated by bacterial pneumonia, but the flu itself is definitely a virus.

With respect, it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise. This has nothing to do with governments or conspiracies. You could hardly have picked a more thoroughly understood event in human history.

[snapdragon]

36 minutes ago, SickBuffalo said:

Okay, look, I didn't mean to pin you down, but extraordinary claims do require some sort of explanation, not "go and read a book".

As it happens, around the start of the pandemic, I read The Great Influenza, probably the most comprehensive book on the Spanish Flu. Then, last month, I read Michael Lewis' most recent book.

So, what I can tell you with absolute certainty is that the Spanish Flu was a virus. Specifically, the H1N1 influenza A virus. As with all flu infections, it was exacerbated by bacterial pneumonia, but the flu itself is definitely a virus.

With respect, it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise. This has nothing to do with governments or conspiracies. You could hardly have picked a more thoroughly understood event in human history.

You are not alone in the belief that ",,,,with absolute certainty is that the Spanish Flu was a virus."

My research however, shows that the 'Spanish Flu' was a mixture of conditions that all had their origins in the war. The terrible gases, the vaccines and generally the atrocious conditions that millions found themselves in; as well as the emotional costs.

To fully understand the 'Spanish Flu', one has to first research Louis Pasteur and his work. He is recognised as the pioneer of germ theory. That germs and viruses cause disease. There are opposing views, and they, in my opinion, hold more water than the 'germ theory'. His theory supposes that the body is basically inert, and reacts to germs and viruses that enter or invade it, developing an immune system along the way. My belief is that the body has a maintenance system that is active 24/7. So active that there are thousands of bio-chemical reactions happening every second, all the time. Quality food, drink, air and our environment are essential to these bio-chemical reactions. These were not available in WW1, and it is the many different poisons and toxins, as well as other factors including Radar, that caused the millions of deaths from the mid-teens to the early twenties.

The 'Spanish Flu' hit the 20 to 40 age group the hardest. There are many reports of differing symptoms, that eventually resulted in death. Not just the guys. In many countries women were employed in the war effort, and were subjected to poisons also.

I do not subscribe to the 'germ theory'. I believe there are more obvious causes of sickness than 'germs' and 'viruses'.

[ChristyS]

4 hours ago, SickBuffalo said:

After almost a year and a half, we now know that surface transmission is not a primary mode of transmission. The virus can be detected on surfaces but not in sufficient number to infect you. Droplets, initially disregarded, turned out to the major mode of transmission.

Continue washing everything in soap and water if it improves your sense of well-being, but it is not necessary.

The authorities in many countries have done a terrible job of communicating how spread actually occurs and revoking guidelines that are not useful. The extreme lengths that people go to reflects unnecessary fear, bordering on stress-induced OCD. For example, there is zero need to wear a mask when walking outdoors. The natural airflow rapidly disburses droplets and the UV rays kill the virus, which is extremely fragile.

There is little reason to worry in a well-ventilated room or supermarket. The two metre distancing rule was completely arbitrary, it really does nothing to protect you if you spend a prolonged time in a room that is not well-ventilated, such as stuck in a broken elevator next to an Italian who is singing, an Englishman cheering a soccer match on his phone, or an American talking softly.

Even if someone in your household gets infected, it is not always that case that everyone else in the household will get infected too.

Obviously, if you are over 70 or obese, yes, you should be as careful as possible, but most people have this whole thing out of proportion and are doing themselves more harm than good.

 

 "Primary" being the operative word here. While I learned decades ago to keep my fingers out of my nose,  mouth and eyes- plenty of other people still routinely do so, and then touch other objects. Don't tell me saliva or snot is free from particles, and  one can certainly get a virus in the eyes- and pass it on.  

 As CoV-19 is relatively new, and mutating on a daily basis it seems,  it is folly to  assume anything about  how it transmits. I rather guess it transmits in a lot of different ways depending upon the specific mutation. 

Meanwhile as I remained un-vaccinated ,  I have injectable Ivermectin on hand (for horses) and plenty of zinc, something  I've found, in the right dosage and timing,  to stop cold and flu virus dependably,  I think  even dengue one time.   

[AmericanHualan]

On 6/28/2021 at 2:04 PM, facthai said:

Enough is enough! Phra Yut promised us mass vaccine rollout on June 7.

To date, Thailand has no locally-produced vaccines. Nor has the junta provided any transparency as to 1) how many doses (& what kind) we have, 2) how many more (& what kind) are coming, 3) when will they arrive, and from where.

We need transparency, if not from the junta or from Siam Bioscience, then from AstraZeneca.

What happened to June 7? If this is simply a delay, when is production expected?

Did Siam BS screw up production? (No fault, so did int’l pharma giant J&J!)

Not only have we lost all confidence in government but, as our Covid situation deteriorates, now we’ve lost hope for vaccines.

TELL US NOW!

As a longstay visa holder, non citizen, I am in no position to do anything other then accept all situations here, as they come along.

[facthai]

1 hour ago, AmericanHualan said:

As a longstay visa holder, non citizen, I am in no position to do anything other then accept all situations here, as they come along.

Complete rubbish! Every one of us has a duty as a human being to make things better not just for us but for everyone, in big & little ways, wherever we happen to be. For me, that's Thailand. And I care. So get off your fat butt & make something better. TODAY!