News Forum - Israel and Palestine exchange rockets and air strikes again

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Israel and Palestine are exchanging rockets and air strikes again in what often appears a never-ending cycle of violence. Palestinian militants launched a rocket from Gaza towards southern Israel today, with Israel launching airstrikes in response. Although Israel’s military says the Islamist militant group Hamas fired the rocket, Hamas has not yet responded to the accusation. Another Islamist militant group that has launched rockets at Israel in the past is the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Israeli troops also killed 3 Palestinian gunmen in the West Bank city of Jenin yesterday. Hamas said that one gunman belonged to its organisation, however, a […]

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[oldschooler]

Violence always started by the irrational permanently angry emotional Arabs. Death is the business of Hamas & Islamic Jihad.No wish for peace, terrorizing their own people. Those blood - soaked unreasonable savages ensure permanent conflict with Israel who only ever do what they need to reasonably do to avoid being genocided. 

[TheDirtyDurian]

18 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Violence always started by the irrational permanently angry emotional Arabs. Death is the business of Hamas & Islamic Jihad.No wish for peace, terrorizing their own people. Those blood - soaked unreasonable savages ensure permanent conflict with Israel who only ever do what they need to reasonably do to avoid being genocided. 

If someone illegally took a piece of your back garden you'd be pretty annoyed too. 

[astro]

35 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Those blood - soaked unreasonable savages ensure permanent conflict with Israel who only ever do what they need to reasonably do to avoid being genocided. 

Remind us again how Israel was founded - terrorist bomb threads, assassinations, the Stern Gang etc., or am I missing something?

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

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[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, astro said:

Remind us again how Israel was founded - terrorist bomb threads, assassinations, the Stern Gang etc., or am I missing something?

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

Israel founded by UN Resolution …which the Arab savages disregarded and all piled in on the Jews the next day.

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

If someone illegally took a piece of your back garden you'd be pretty annoyed too. 

Simplistic & Wrong. Arab savages tried to throw the Jews back in the sea with three invasions. Israel took from the aggressors only the lands necessary for defendable borders I.e. West Bank & Golan Heights, an entitled right under UN Resolution.

“Palestine”   ( Arabs pre70s called it Greater Syria) and “ Palestinians” (no, just Arabs) formed only in 1970s as political agitation terms.
 

This area was an uninhabited rock wasteland before Jews started buying it around 1880 from absent Arab landowners and developed it before Arabs arrived to work for the Jewish Farmers. Arabs in cities there before. 

[Vigo]

2 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

If someone illegally took a piece of your back garden you'd be pretty annoyed too. 

The israelis showed patience and yet the arabs keep launching their attacks. 

Israel and its arab neighbors were absorbed by the Ottoman Empire hundreds of years ago. They were colonial possessions of Turkey for about 500 years until the collapse of the Ottoman empire after  World War I. The Ottoman middle East was then divided up by other colonial powers, notably the French and Great Britain. The historical boundaries of greater Israel always existed under Ottoman rule. However, there was no "Gaza", no modern Jordan, no modern Lebanon and the borders of much of the Gulf states were not fixed. Modern Jordan was only created in 1946 despite there being a longstanding dispute over its legitimacy as a carryover from the loss of the Hashemite Syrian territory. The Hashemites came from Arabia and occupied transjordan and turned what we call palestinians today into exiles or refugees, but never a word is mentioned of that. Lebanon only came about once the French hacked it out of Syria in 1922. And yet not a word as to their legitimacy.  Jerusalem had been part of Israel but Israel lost it in in the lead up to and post 1948 war. This is never mentioned by the arabs who protest jerusalem occupancy.

And on and on it goes with only the arab position considered legitimate despite it having much of the same foundation as the Israeli claim in respect to the legacy of the former colonial powers. There have been multiple peace deals offered the arabs with the radical islamists always refusing. Everytime an arab agrees to make peace, the radicals seek to undermine and destroy.  The only thing the arabs appreciate is an iron fist. That's the local culture. Compassion and accommodation is seen as weakness. Only a good thrashing gets the point across. Israel can do it now the preoccupation is the Ukraine and Russia rules the Syrian sky. Time to make glass and get this over and done with.

 

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[TheDirtyDurian]

5 minutes ago, Vigo said:

The israelis showed patience and yet the arabs keep launching their attacks. 

Israel and its arab neighbors were absorbed by the Ottoman Empire hundreds of years ago. They were colonial possessions of Turkey for about 500 years until the collapse of the Ottoman empire after  World War I. The Ottoman middle East was then divided up by other colonial powers, notably the French and Great Britain. The historical boundaries of greater Israel always existed under Ottoman rule. However, there was no "Gaza", no modern Jordan, no modern Lebanon and the borders of much of the Gulf states were not fixed. Modern Jordan was only created in 1946 despite there being a longstanding dispute over its legitimacy as a carryover from the loss of the Hashemite Syrian territory. The Hashemites came from Arabia and occupied transjordan and turned what we call palestinians today into exiles or refugees, but never a word is mentioned of that. Lebanon only came about once the French hacked it out of Syria in 1922. And yet not a word as to their legitimacy.  Jerusalem had been part of Israel but Israel lost it in in the lead up to and post 1948 war. This is never mentioned by the arabs who protest jerusalem occupancy.

And on and on it goes with only the arab position considered legitimate despite it having much of the same foundation as the Israeli claim in respect to the legacy of the former colonial powers. There have been multiple peace deals offered the arabs with the radical islamists always refusing. Everytime an arab agrees to make peace, the radicals seek to undermine and destroy.  The only thing the arabs appreciate is an iron fist. That's the local culture. Compassion and accommodation is seen as weakness. Only a good thrashing gets the point across. Israel can do it now the preoccupation is the Ukraine and Russia rules the Syrian sky. Time to make glass and get this over and done with.

Can't be bothered to argue back and forth about why you're wrong. I have better things to do with my evening.  

Agree to disagree. 

 

 

 

[Vigo]

7 minutes ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

Can't be bothered to argue back and forth about why you're wrong. I have better things to do with my evening.  

Agree to disagree. 

So the there is no colonial past that controls what we see on the map today? Did you wave your magic wand and say ottoman begone?

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[TheDirtyDurian]

15 minutes ago, Vigo said:

So the there is no colonial past that controls what we see on the map today? Did you wave your magic wand and say ottoman begone?

Dude, I get up at 4:45am for work. Goodnight. 

[astro]

2 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Simplistic & Wrong.

Yep, that about sums up the rest of your post - hyperbolic diatribe.

Not worth the time to argue.

[HolyCowCm]

Is there any real answer that can be implemented and work here? Things come and happen and then they just go back to slinging rockets and gunfire. 

[Fanta]

This pair have been at it since before I was born. An adult should step in and take their toys away until they learn to play nicely together. 

[HolyCowCm]

4 minutes ago, Fanta said:

This pair have been at it since before I was born. An adult should step in and take their toys away until they learn to play nicely together. 

Morning to you Fanta. I agree the same as it is as long as I can rmeebr or had an interst in the news they have been killing each other. Simply put is that their religions don't mesh with one another and the people could never mesh togther as well..

[Vigo]

Actually, they did get along intermittently over the centuries. There was relative peace during the Ottoman period. The troubles started with the promulgation of European political philosophies and the use of the region as a battleground between various colonial interests.  The radical Islamists do have a point when they espouse their views on westerners and their political beliefs: The Europeans  brought nothing but penury, war, pestilence and heartache ever since they imposed themselves on the region starting with the Romans through to the Christian Crusaders up to the modern colonial era.

[oldschooler]

8 hours ago, Vigo said:

The israelis showed patience and yet the arabs keep launching their attacks. 

Israel and its arab neighbors were absorbed by the Ottoman Empire hundreds of years ago. They were colonial possessions of Turkey for about 500 years until the collapse of the Ottoman empire after  World War I. The Ottoman middle East was then divided up by other colonial powers, notably the French and Great Britain. The historical boundaries of greater Israel always existed under Ottoman rule. However, there was no "Gaza", no modern Jordan, no modern Lebanon and the borders of much of the Gulf states were not fixed. Modern Jordan was only created in 1946 despite there being a longstanding dispute over its legitimacy as a carryover from the loss of the Hashemite Syrian territory. The Hashemites came from Arabia and occupied transjordan and turned what we call palestinians today into exiles or refugees, but never a word is mentioned of that. Lebanon only came about once the French hacked it out of Syria in 1922. And yet not a word as to their legitimacy.  Jerusalem had been part of Israel but Israel lost it in in the lead up to and post 1948 war. This is never mentioned by the arabs who protest jerusalem occupancy.

And on and on it goes with only the arab position considered legitimate despite it having much of the same foundation as the Israeli claim in respect to the legacy of the former colonial powers. There have been multiple peace deals offered the arabs with the radical islamists always refusing. Everytime an arab agrees to make peace, the radicals seek to undermine and destroy.  The only thing the arabs appreciate is an iron fist. That's the local culture. Compassion and accommodation is seen as weakness. Only a good thrashing gets the point across. Israel can do it now the preoccupation is the Ukraine and Russia rules the Syrian sky. Time to make glass and get this over and done with.

“Palestinians” a political terror  business ( like IRA was), kept in place & funded  by the Arab oil states ( and Iran mullahs) ,as anti-Israel pressure & agitation, when if truly caring for their plight, could easily give them passports & settlement rights … even after PLO tried to takeover Jordan.
 

Many Arabs enjoy equal rights in Democratic Western Israel. How much democracy, reason, minority & women rights etc. exist in Arab states ? Of course None. UN Watch asked Arab states “ Where Are Your Jews?” . Deafening Silence. ……
 

How many Jews living in Arab states ? Nearly None, killed or driven out long ago. Yet Arab savages supported by anti- Semitic Western Socialists like Corbyn, Galloway etc against Free Civilized Reasonable Israel

[oldschooler]

25 minutes ago, Vigo said:

Actually, they did get along intermittently over the centuries. There was relative peace during the Ottoman period. The troubles started with the promulgation of European political philosophies and the use of the region as a battleground between various colonial interests.  The radical Islamists do have a point when they espouse their views on westerners and their political beliefs: The Europeans  brought nothing but penury, war, pestilence and heartache ever since they imposed themselves on the region starting with the Romans through to the Christian Crusaders up to the modern colonial era.

What Did the Romans / West Ever Do For Us ? Right ?All Modernity Provided:  Clean Water, Irrigation, Sewage, Industry, Farming, Hospitals, Schools, Secular Govt, Metaled Roads, Large Ports.

“Trouble started” when the fanatic uncivilized Arabs swept out of their sand deserts conquering the Near East 1400 years ago. Israelis indigenous to their lands for 3500 years or more. Driven out by Romans(Diaspora).

Ottoman rule of 500 years effectively ended any proper claims for Arab state there. Much Land inhabited before returning Israelis. Plus Arab support for Nazis & attempted Genocides + Israel rights of conquest from aggressors & defensible borders

[oldschooler]

8 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

Can't be bothered to argue back and forth about why you're wrong. I have better things to do with my evening.  

Agree to disagree. 

So everything stated just “ wrong” then. Give us a break. Arab case practically non- existent in rational terms. Peaceful Arabs enjoy equal rights in Israel.

[Rookiescot]

37 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

How many Jews living in Arab states ? Nearly None, killed or driven out long ago.

Ironically there are quite a few in Iran where they do not appear to suffer much persecution.

Then again Iran is Shia not Sunni.

[oldschooler]

27 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Ironically there are quite a few in Iran where they do not appear to suffer much persecution.

Then again Iran is Shia not Sunni.

and not Arab……but they should have left…. daily persecution fears …. regime rabidly anti - Israel …. Israel certainly gave them up as zero hostage value

[Cabra]

One thing seems certain... There will never be peace in the middle east (not between Jews and Arabs). Nothing lasting or meaningful, anyway. And at the core of the conflict is religion and religious beliefs, religious claims going back 1000s of years, enough said. 

[dbrenn]

15 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

If someone illegally took a piece of your back garden you'd be pretty annoyed too. 

Every single patch og dirt on the planet was owned by someone else at some point. How far back in history should we go?