List of countries by Covid-19 risk level, classified by Thailand’s DDC

[Thaiger]

Under the “Phuket Sandbox” and “Samui Plus” travel models, travellers not only need to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 to be eligible to enter Thailand under the schemes, but they also need to be travelling from countries classified by Thailand’s Department of Disease Control as a low to medium risk for Covid-19. The DDC posts a new list on the 1st and 16th of every month. The information is mostly in Thai. Click HERE to go to the DDC website. Here is a list of countries classified by low, medium and high risk by Thailand’s DDC… Low-risk countries Albania, Andorra, […]

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[Paulien]

1 hour ago, Thaiger said:

Under the “Phuket Sandbox” and “Samui Plus” travel models, travellers not only need to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 to be eligible to enter Thailand under the schemes, but they also need to be travelling from countries classified by Thailand’s Department of Disease Control as a low to medium risk for Covid-19. The DDC posts a new list on the 1st and 16th of every month. The information is mostly in Thai. Click HERE to go to the DDC website. Here is a list of countries classified by low, medium and high risk by Thailand’s DDC… Low-risk countries Albania, Andorra, […]

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Why is the Netherlands high risk? We are mostly vaccinated en we have low infections.. 

[AndyOz]

As Thailand is in the red category what restrictions will there be going into Phuket come the 1st July?

[King Cotton]

1 hour ago, Paulien said:

Why is the Netherlands high risk? We are mostly vaccinated en we have low infections.. 

Fair question I'm sure and one that other nationals have been asking.

 

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[King Cotton]

1 hour ago, AndyOz said:

As Thailand is in the red category what restrictions will there be going into Phuket come the 1st July?

Sadly, the restrictions info changes almost on a daily basis. Although not guaranteed to give you answers, the TAT site often seems to be trying . . . sometimes very trying.

Here it is . . . https://www.tatnews.org/2021/06/thailand-confirms-reopening-plan-from-1-july-2021/

 

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[AdvocatusDiaboli]

Why has this article Disappeared off the Thaiger latest news. I did find that this was taken straight from the DDC site. As the Thaiger latest article was about what expat (really immigrant) countries are doing….. well if Thailand says they are in the Red Zone, well you cannot blame these countries for advising their citizens NOT to come here. 

[satpete]

in Germany Thailand is on the green list to arrive and travel without any restrictions,
even no vaccine jab is needed and you can arrive with a cheap rapid antigen test,
depends on airlines, Emirates needs PCR test, but not for German border at airport

Thai government is interested in 14 days quarantine even for vaccinated people,
brings fear to citizens about travellers, but government is the real problem, not covid-19

[PatrickSatoLee]

Seriously, listing Thailand themselves as High Risk, how will that help the tourist confidences to come back to Phuket.  

[satpete]

Spain has 3.400 new infections per day at the moment,
but tourists booking holidays like before corona and they see no risks

if Phuket is not open for tourists in November for high season without any restrictions,
then tourism will not recover soon and many people living from tourism will suffer next years (!) too
 

 

[Stonker]

I can't follow the reasoning behind the classifications, which I would have thought could only be based on the number of cases or deaths per thousand, maybe with some allowance for vaccination rates.

That doesn't seem to be the case, as the Netherlands have far fewer cases than the Seychelles or many European countries but it's high risk while the others are medium.

As for Thailand rating itself high risk ...

[Stonker]

53 minutes ago, satpete said:

If Phuket is not open for tourists in November for high season without any restrictions,
then tourism will not recover soon and many people living from tourism will suffer next years (!) too
 

How about the 99% of the Thai population who aren't in Phuket and "living from tourism"?   Few here seem to have much interest in how this could affect them (and I'm not suggesting tourists will spread Covid, but that the relaxations needed for tourism   will).

[EdwardV]

13 minutes ago, Stonker said:

How about the 99% of the Thai population who aren't in Phuket and "living from tourism"?   Few here seem to have much interest in how this could affect them (and I'm not suggesting tourists will spread Covid, but that the relaxations needed for tourism   will).

 

While no doubt 99% of the Thai population doesn't live on Phuket, the same can't be said about those who make a living from tourism. Remember the Phuket scheme isn't really about Phuket, it's about Thailand overall. Phuket is just the test model, the start of an opening of a much larger door. It's why Kho Samui and it's neighboring islands are already approved to open in August (they were on the same approval bill as Phuket). It's why the PM has already proclaimed the entire country will open in 120 days (as unbelievable as that is, it's still the objective). The 120 days is the middle of October, it's not that far away. Fact is the Thai economy is failing. Tax revenue is down, private debt is at all time highs and growing, domestic liquidity is almost gone and government borrowing has already reached it's legal limit with the 4th quarter still to go. Clearly the idea of opening the country with most of it's population still needing a first shot, and over half of the ones with a single dose did so with one that's about as useful as a shot of vitamins seems crazy. Yet the powers that be clearly see the alternative as something worse. I'm not sure that is true, but we don't have all the data and they do. The argument is Thailand can't afford to lose another high season. It's a risky bet for sure. Personally I think it's too soon, too much of a risk. Thailand is betting the farm on Chinese vaccines, it's like betting a on a pair of two's. Chances are you will lose the hand. However even if you win the mentality that lead to the bet will lead you to lose your shirt sooner than later. Better to wait and reopen large parts of the tourist areas on November 1st, Thailand needs more time.  

[bennytenson]

5 hours ago, Paulien said:

Why is the Netherlands high risk? We are mostly vaccinated en we have low infections.. 

The ECDC just removed The Netherlands  from the RED list today so hopefully Thailand will remove it also from the HIGH RISK list. I really want to go and visit some friends :)

 

[Trilo]

Did they really have to ask the fortuneteller to compose this list? Perhaps it would be more logical to establish it based on official data on the number of new covid cases per 100,000 inhabitants? Poland 3.4 per 100,000 inhabitants for the last week and a high-risk list. Monaco 60.1; Norway 22.3; Slovenia 22.7; Czech Republic 8.7; low risk list. Belgium 28.8;Denmark 30.5; medium-risk list.

[Fabio]

USA and UK as medium risk is a joke, right ?

Thailand is considered high risk also, how tourists will go back home ?

[Trilo]

The list of low-risk countries also includes the UK 96.7 cases per 100,000 inhabitants for the last week and Russia 72.7 cases per 100,000 inhabitants. It is only several dozen times more than 3.4 cases in Poland, which according to Thai officials is a high-risk country :)

[King Cotton]

1 hour ago, Trilo said:

The list of low-risk countries also includes the UK 96.7 cases per 100,000 inhabitants for the last week and Russia 72.7 cases per 100,000 inhabitants. It is only several dozen times more than 3.4 cases in Poland, which according to Thai officials is a high-risk country :)

Yes, some fairly nonsensical-looking numbers, there, for sure.

 

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[AdvocatusDiaboli]

Maybe to help those confused on the numbers a quick translation:

 

 

The classification of medical and public health countries for the relief of non-Thai nationals entering the Kingdom of Thailand. 

 

The criteria used in the grouping are IHRJEE, GCI.  and the mean new cases and updated data every 15th and 30th every month are classified into 3 groups, namely high-risk, medium-risk and low-risk countries 

 

1. Average number of new COVID-19 cases based on 15-day historical data.  

Below 50 cases, 51-100 cases, 101-500 cases 501 -1,000 cases, 1,001-5,000 cases, 5,001-10,000 cases and more than 10,000 cases.  

 

Country 2005 or International Health Regulations 2005: IHR 2005 by Joint External Evaluation (JEE)" Technical Area assessment scores: 

1. Nationwide Laboratory System and 

2. Real Surveillance.  Time gauge control infrastructure  Each country is assessed by the World Health Organization and that country every five years. 

 

3. Countries recovering from COVID-19 index "by the Global advisory Council, the Global COVID-19 Index (GC).  

 

Organization" GCI Recovery Index = 70% (Active Cases per Population, Recoveries per Confirmed Case, Tests Conducted per Confirmed Case, Tests Conducted per Population) + 30% Global Health Security Index (GHS) "categorized as more than 60% and low.  

 

Over 60 Percent Note IHR JEE 

 

(1.) Nationwide Laboratory System 

(2.) Real-time Surveillance Mean 14-Day New Patients Cut Data Every 15th and 30th of Every Month Red = Reduce.  Black Level Down = Blue Level Up = Stay Unchanged 
 

so as you can see if you are a traveller there is reason to be concerned as your country could suddenly be in the red list on the day of travel. Another thing that is part of the number makeup is total number in country tested, and as we all know this is a low number in Thailand. Their spreadsheet makes sense, but from it you can see that Thailand will not be removed from the red anytime soon. If that’s the case, why should other countries not include Thailand in their red list for travel?

 

 

 

[Objectivance]

12 hours ago, satpete said:

Spain has 3.400 new infections per day at the moment,
but tourists booking holidays like before corona and they see no risks

if Phuket is not open for tourists in November for high season without any restrictions,
then tourism will not recover soon and many people living from tourism will suffer next years (!) too
 

Its not going to recover any time soon, irregardless of "by November."

[Stonker]

12 hours ago, EdwardV said:

While no doubt 99% of the Thai population doesn't live on Phuket, the same can't be said about those who make a living from tourism. Remember the Phuket scheme isn't really about Phuket, it's about Thailand overall. 

I agree with your sentiment 100%, @EdV, but I'm not so sure about some of your detail.

 

12 hours ago, EdwardV said:

Phuket is just the test model, the start of an opening of a much larger door. It's why Kho Samui and it's neighboring islands are already approved to open in August (they were on the same approval bill as Phuket).

I'm far from sure that's correct, as it suggests that if there was an "approval bill" there was also a plan that looked at things nationally, beyond Phuket, and I don't think there was - Phuket just shouted the loudest.

If they were part of the same plan, wouldn't Ko Samui have been first, not Phuket?  You don't start a "test model " with somewhere big first, then expand it to somewhere smaller!  Particularly using a completely different system!

Rather than a strategic plan, I think the "powers that be " have just been giving it a series of knee-jerk reactions in a game of Whack-a-Mole, and Phuket was the biggest and noisiest mole.

[ozvenision]

Hmmm.. Look which country is in the High Risk.. THAILAND :) :) :)

 

[AussieBob]

2 hours ago, Stonker said:

I agree with your sentiment 100%, @EdV, but I'm not so sure about some of your detail.

I'm far from sure that's correct, as it suggests that if there was an "approval bill" there was also a plan that looked at things nationally, beyond Phuket, and I don't think there was - Phuket just shouted the loudest.

If they were part of the same plan, wouldn't Ko Samui have been first, not Phuket?  You don't start a "test model " with somewhere big first, then expand it to somewhere smaller!  Particularly using a completely different system!

Rather than a strategic plan, I think the "powers that be " have just been giving it a series of knee-jerk reactions in a game of Whack-a-Mole, and Phuket was the biggest and noisiest mole.

Sad to say but there is probably a lot of truth in that 'whack a mole' analogy.  I used to love playing that game in the arcades so it brings back some memories - I broke the record many times. 

The comment made by @AdvocatusDiaboli is another nail in this very shaky sandbox - between booking and testing and paperwork and flying and arriving, it is possible your country will become red - what happens then? quarantine??

[skorts07]

22 hours ago, Thaiger said:

Under the “Phuket Sandbox” and “Samui Plus” travel models, travellers not only need to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 to be eligible to enter Thailand under the schemes, but they also need to be travelling from countries classified by Thailand’s Department of Disease Control as a low to medium risk for Covid-19. The DDC posts a new list on the 1st and 16th of every month. The information is mostly in Thai. Click HERE to go to the DDC website. Here is a list of countries classified by low, medium and high risk by Thailand’s DDC… Low-risk countries Albania, Andorra, […]

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The “List of countries” classified by Thailand’s DDC lists Thailand as a “high risk” country!

Under the “Phuket Sandbox” and “Samui Plus” travel models travellers need to be fully vaccinated and need to be travelling from countries classified by DDC as low to medium risk. 

Taken literally, this means Thailand is excluding it’s own population from these travel models!

if Thailand’s DDC classifies Thailand as high risk how can it expect other countries to either ban travel to Thailand or only permit travel to Thailand without compulsorily quarantine at considerable cost on return. 

The U.K., for example, lists Thailand as “Amber” on its list of countries. 

it seems Thailand is shooting itself in the foot by categorising the country as “high risk” …..
 

[King Cotton]

26 minutes ago, skorts07 said:

it seems Thailand is shooting itself in the foot by categorising the country as “high risk” …..

'Same-same', as the local quip goes.

 

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[joey]

The Netherlands is listed as a high risk country yet it has 1/6 the infection rate of the UK based on per capita. Can someone explain this?