News Forum - Russian tourism staff claims interest in Thailand travel has spiked for Russians

[vlad]

Why is my Post off Topic old schooler? Atrocities being committed by Russian forces against defenseless civilians is a war crime resulting in Genocide against that race. ie Bosnia, Cambodia, Luanda, etc. It makes no difference if it's hundreds or thousands being murdered.

[vlad]

Putin is claiming his forces have captured Mariupol and declared victory B/S. the Ukrainian force is still in the Azovstal steelworks they control it not Russian forces. There are miles od tunnels underneath it and Putin knows full well his troops won't enter it because they will take too many casualties instead he and he alone is prepared to allow over a thousand civvies to starve to death he caused this, not Zelensky. All he has to do is withdraw his forces away to allow them to leave but his ego won't allow that because he knows the victory parade on the 9th of May will be soured without any victory to show for nearly fighting a war in two Months without one victory.

[Fanta]

27 minutes ago, vlad said:

Putin is claiming his forces have captured Mariupol and declared victory B/S. the Ukrainian force is still in the Azovstal steelworks they control it not Russian forces. There are miles od tunnels underneath it and Putin knows full well his troops won't enter it because they will take too many casualties instead he and he alone is prepared to allow over a thousand civvies to starve to death he caused this, not Zelensky. All he has to do is withdraw his forces away to allow them to leave but his ego won't allow that because he knows the victory parade on the 9th of May will be soured without any victory to show for nearly fighting a war in two Months without one victory.

That is not realistic. What is the difference between Russian forces withdrawing 1 mile or withdrawing 10 miles? They still remain in Russian controlled territory. If the civilians are released they will get food, water, medical treatment, safety and that is more than they have now. Zelenskky is the person that needs to explain why he has rejected every demand to surrender the steelworks at Mariupol and left the civilians there. Or perhaps the Ukrainian Azov commanders can explain why they haven’t at least released the civilians and surrendered the wounded. Entire armies are surrendered for a reason and it’s quite often not simply because they are outnumbered.
 

[vlad]

News broadcast yesterday showed evacuated civilians from Mariupol there were 85 on 4 busses when 10 busses were promised by Russian forces 4 turned up and bussed them to a town a few hundred miles away but that is still not safe as that town is still being targeted so they might be out of the frying pan but there still in the fire so to speak. You keep mentioning this neo nazi group but you don't mention the chechin butchers with a history of savagery against civilians that Putin has enlisted to fight at the Factory.

[Fanta]

1 hour ago, vlad said:

News broadcast yesterday showed evacuated civilians from Mariupol there were 85 on 4 busses when 10 busses were promised by Russian forces 4 turned up and bussed them to a town a few hundred miles away but that is still not safe as that town is still being targeted so they might be out of the frying pan but there still in the fire so to speak. You keep mentioning this neo nazi group but you don't mention the chechin butchers with a history of savagery against civilians that Putin has enlisted to fight at the Factory.

Are you referring to the civilians evacuated from Mariupol and now on a train to Lviv?

[vlad]

Doe's it matter if they're on a train they were bussed to Zaporizhzhia, who cares if they jumped a train to Lviv at least they're out of Hell.

Edited April 23, 2022 by KaptainRob
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[Fanta]

I just wanted to set your mind at ease because you were concerned that they might be “out of the frying pan and into the fire”’. And please stop referring to me as Haw Haw. I am asking nicely.

[oldschooler]

17 hours ago, Dmitrii said:

Absolutely!

For years Russian propaganda cultivated the idea "If you revolt like Ukrainians you will live poorly as Ukrainians".

This idea will backfire if Ukraine represents an example of positive changes as a result of displacing a corrupted leader.

Ukraine is as Completely Corrupt as Russia. Same people / culture/ pre 91 country. Exception : Presidential / Party National Elections. 

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, vlad said:

Why is my Post off Topic old schooler? Atrocities being committed by Russian forces against defenseless civilians is a war crime resulting in Genocide against that race. ie Bosnia, Cambodia, Luanda, etc. It makes no difference if it's hundreds or thousands being murdered.

Subject is Ukraine not Cambodia. 
5,000 to 7,000 shelled/ killed Ukraine civilians from 144 million is atrocity / war crime not genocide.

Genocide has a particular definition (destroying entire peoples) very different to your emotional use. Just check a dictionary before continually embarrassing yourself on this.

Those thousands of civilians were targeted ONLY to get ten million more moving as Refugees. 

[Marble-eye]

4 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Subject is Ukraine not Cambodia. 
5,000 to 7,000 shelled/ killed Ukraine civilians from 144 million is atrocity / war crime not genocide.

Genocide has a particular definition (destroying entire peoples) very different to your emotional use. Just check a dictionary before continually embarrassing yourself on this.

Those thousands of civilians were targeted ONLY to get ten million more moving as Refugees. 

So when does war crimes become genocide, is there a particular percentage or figure we can work on?

[Benroon]

On 4/21/2022 at 2:03 PM, oldschooler said:

Many democracies next to Russia since 1991. Made no impact on Russians whatsoever. 

That has so many russians living in it ?

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, Benroon said:

That has so many russians living in it ?

Point is that Russians are impervious to Democracy. 

[NorskTiger]

My understanding in Thailand is that there is no large sign of any Anti-Russian hysteria and neither will Thailand budge to Western vitriole here. Threats of "boycott" from some Expats in Pattaya bars are neither going to be taken seriously or realized. 

 

The strategic win in Mauriupol is now going to be exploited to redeploy troops and start rebuilding the city. 

  The tactical struggle over Azovstal has wisely been altered to one of total encirclement and siege. This will save lives of BOTH kinds civillian and military (of both sides).  There are no larger tactical stand-off weapons left by the holdouts, so reconstruction of Mauriopol will now be doable. At first, Sappers and engineers will remove mines and explosives over all the city. Secondly, there will be sites for civillian restoration and all this can be done even within a few kilometers of the ring around Azovstal. 

   Defenders have two choices: Walk out and give themselves up to new authorities in Mauriopol or stay within the bunker complex and starve to death. The most humane and least violent choice has been taken. This also enables the Russian army to shift the heaviest assault units towards other areas. What is needed to seal off the factory complex is merely a perimeter with maybe 3 batallions and gradually shrink the diameter as defenders are icked off from distance with snipers and select tactical operations. 

      One cannot refuse people to starve themselves to death as long as they will not be reasonable, so one can only hope the remaining fanatics will let go of the civillians. 

 

   Travel to Thailand is also possible from China with tourism and travel routes. The latter is increasingly becoming the very dominant force of preferrance by the leadership in Thailand.  

    I may myself travel there via Russia and China if the prices are as reasonable as they look. 

  

    

Edited April 22, 2022 by NorskTiger
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[Guphz]

17 minutes ago, NorskTiger said:

The strategic win in Mauriupol is now going to be exploited to redeploy troops and start rebuilding the city. 

  The tactical struggle over Azovstal has wisely been altered to one of total encirclement and siege.

That's a nice way to put how Russia failed at yet another objective.

[oldschooler]

8 hours ago, NorskTiger said:

My understanding in Thailand is that there is no large sign of any Anti-Russian hysteria and neither will Thailand budge to Western vitriole here. Threats of "boycott" from some Expats in Pattaya bars are neither going to be taken seriously or realized. 

The strategic win in Mauriupol is now going to be exploited to redeploy troops and start rebuilding the city. 

  The tactical struggle over Azovstal has wisely been altered to one of total encirclement and siege. This will save lives of BOTH kinds civillian and military (of both sides).  There are no larger tactical stand-off weapons left by the holdouts, so reconstruction of Mauriopol will now be doable. At first, Sappers and engineers will remove mines and explosives over all the city. Secondly, there will be sites for civillian restoration and all this can be done even within a few kilometers of the ring around Azovstal. 

   Defenders have two choices: Walk out and give themselves up to new authorities in Mauriopol or stay within the bunker complex and starve to death. The most humane and least violent choice has been taken. This also enables the Russian army to shift the heaviest assault units towards other areas. What is needed to seal off the factory complex is merely a perimeter with maybe 3 batallions and gradually shrink the diameter as defenders are icked off from distance with snipers and select tactical operations. 

      One cannot refuse people to starve themselves to death as long as they will not be reasonable, so one can only hope the remaining fanatics will let go of the civillians. 

   Travel to Thailand is also possible from China with tourism and travel routes. The latter is increasingly becoming the very dominant force of preferrance by the leadership in Thailand.  

    I may myself travel there via Russia and China if the prices are as reasonable as they look. 

Cold unsympathetic / unbalanced analysis, from invader perspective, but with many accurate points made.

Only the Port & Land Bridge there is strategic for Russia. City flattened to Wreck It. Orcs won’t rebuild anything before being forced back to Mordor. 

Term “ Phyrric Victory” applies

The great general Phyrrus said after the Battle of Asculum , where he lost irreplaceable troops & top generals,  “ if we win one more battle against the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined”.

[KaptainRob]

Topic is now LOCKED and 14 off-topic bickering posts removed.  Those involved will be sanctioned if this arguing continues elsewhere.