News Forum - Missile attack on train station kills 52 Ukrainians, Russia denies involvement

[Thaiger]

Six weeks after Russia first invaded Ukraine, a missile struck a train station in the Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk yesterday, killing 52 people. Russia denies being behind the attack, but Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the bombing had been reported in Russia before the missiles had even landed. Zelenskyy said the attack showed “evil with no limits”. Zelenskyy called for a strong international reaction to the attack, which he said injured 300 people, in addition to killing 52.  AFP journalists reported seeing 30 people under plastic sheets next to the train station. They also claimed that body parts, broken glass, […]

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[Rookiescot]

Russia denies involvement. Yeah they would do.

Along with the missile attack on the theater which was clearly marked as having children in it.

[Soidog]

Hopefully we will see Putin swinging at the end of a rope as we did Saddam. The rope needs to be applied at the hands of the Russian people. 

[Rookiescot]

Its not just the over 50 who were killed. We also need to remember all those injured some with life changing injuries. The trauma on kids.

Lets put this in context. If this was a car bomb in a major city which killed over 50 people and devastated the lives of countless others it would be a massive issue in itself.

However these are daily events in Czar Putins illegal and unjustified invasion of the Ukraine. Let that sink in for a second. It is a daily event.

Now if you are someone who simply trolls for enjoyment or indeed are paid to post some governments propaganda then have a look at yourself in a mirror.

I made an analogy about a car bomb. Ask yourself if that car bomb was in the center of Moscow, London, Canberra, New York, Paris or whatever other city you wish to imagine and it was your friends or familly being killed. Would you still be parroting the narrative of the aggressor in all of that?

Now imagine it is happening every day. 

[Pinetree]

2 hours ago, Soidog said:

Hopefully we will see Putin swinging at the end of a rope as we did Saddam. The rope needs to be applied at the hands of the Russian people. 

I'm afraid that getting rid of him will not solve the problems of Russia and for Russia.  It has been a series of broken societies and failed rulers since Peter The Great, it will never change, as its imbedded in the Russian psych. The poor plebeians are totally subdued, un-informed, largely un-educated and down trodden and the rulers are insensitive, manipulative, melomaniac criminals.  You can't change 400 odd years of institutionalized failure by removing the criminal Putin. How do you stop it or change it, why by all out War of course.    

[Soidog]

16 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its not just the over 50 who were killed. We also need to remember all those injured some with life changing injuries. The trauma on kids.

Lets put this in context. If this was a car bomb in a major city which killed over 50 people and devastated the lives of countless others it would be a massive issue in itself.

However these are daily events in Czar Putins illegal and unjustified invasion of the Ukraine. Let that sink in for a second. It is a daily event.

Now if you are someone who simply trolls for enjoyment or indeed are paid to post some governments propaganda then have a look at yourself in a mirror.

I made an analogy about a car bomb. Ask yourself if that car bomb was in the center of Moscow, London, Canberra, New York, Paris or whatever other city you wish to imagine and it was your friends or familly being killed. Would you still be parroting the narrative of the aggressor in all of that?

Now imagine it is happening every day. 

Great post mate. Anyone defending this narcissistic maniac Putin needs to take a long look at themselves. Germany and many other countries need to stop buying oil and gas and totally cripple the country. I really don’t care where this heads now. The world needs to stop this guy at ANY cost. 

[KaptainRob]

11 minutes ago, Soidog said:

Germany and many other countries need to stop buying oil and gas and totally cripple the country

I agree with your sentiments but easier said than done especially when temps are in the single digits, never mind fuel for industry.  Evil incarnate Putin has the EU over a barrel.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

I'm afraid that getting rid of him will not solve the problems of Russia and for Russia.  It has been a series of broken societies and failed rulers since Peter The Great, it will never change, as its imbedded in the Russian psych. The poor plebeians are totally subdued, un-informed, largely un-educated and down trodden and the rulers are insensitive, manipulative, melomaniac criminals.  You can't change 400 odd years of institutionalized failure by removing the criminal Putin. How do you stop it or change it, why by all out War of course.    

All out war means the plebs are fighting each other on both sides. 

We fix this by forcing a regime change in Russia. Everything we can do. Many have already been implemented. Sanctions must remain in place for as long as Czar Putin remains in power. The west should make that clear so those around Czar Putin know there is only one way to fix this.

Hand over the planes to the Ukraine but allow them to fly from Polish airbases. After all its not NATO assets involved in this. Its Ukrainian pilots engaged in training exercises while based in a NATO country. Where those Ukrainian pilots go and what they do after they take off is not our business.

Would Czar Putin attack Polish airbases? No chance. His military cant take on a well motivated and equipped Ukraine. He knows he has zero chance against professional western forces in NATO. 

Czar Putin was full of bluff and bluster before this invasion took place. Now he is curiously quiet and avoids personal contact with anyone. He has virtually no friends any more.

All he can do is order the shelling and missile strikes of civilians in the hope that everyone else comes to him seeking peace.

But thats not happening. He is losing the war. His economy is trashed. His sole source of hard currency is dwindling. The atrocities simply harden peoples opinions against him.

Putin is a dead man walking.

[Raugh]

10 minutes ago, KaptainRob said:

Putin has the EU over a barrel.

I see what you did there Kaptain, very clever indeed.

[Raugh]

10 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 "We" "we can do."

Hand over the planes

Putin is a dead man walking.

We who?

Maybe all of we don't care and don't like the idea of "handing" over multi-billion dollar pieces of aircraft in yet another gaffe by Biden's administration.

"Dead Man walking?" What you smokin bro?

How long has  Kim Jong-un been strolling around enjoying his life ? All the while a country chock a block full of angry South Koreans just next door. I'm not seeing it. Not saying it couldn't be done but this is not an Usama bin Ladin situation. You think a bunch of spec-ops are going to repel in to Moscow and trap Vlad in his kitchen larder?

Maybe a suicide bomber could pull it off. I think security will be very strict for quite a while to come. Not much chance of that I think.

What about you Rookie? Can you get in there close to him?

 

[Rookiescot]

23 minutes ago, KaptainRob said:

I agree with your sentiments but easier said than done especially when temps are in the single digits, never mind fuel for industry.  Evil incarnate Putin has the EU over a barrel.

I believe the EU and indeed Germany in particular will wean themselves off relying on Russian oil and gas.

Will it cost money? Undoubtably. 

Is it the right thing to do? Undoubtably. 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, Raugh said:

We who?

Maybe all of we don't care and don't like the idea of "handing" over multi-billion dollar pieces of aircraft in yet another gaffe by Biden's administration.

"Dead Man walking?" What you smokin bro?

How long has  Kim Jong-un been strolling around enjoying his life ? All the while a country chock a block full of angry South Koreans just next door. I'm not seeing it. Not saying it couldn't be done but this is not an Usama bin Ladin situation. You think a bunch of spec-ops are going to repel in to Moscow and trap Vlad in his kitchen larder?

Maybe a suicide bomber could pull it off. I think security will be very strict for quite a while to come. Not much chance of that I think.

What about you Rookie? Can you get in there close to him?

Sorry whats your point?

Are you saying the aircraft Poland has already offered to hand over cannot be handed over? 

Multi billion dollar aircraft? Where are you getting that from? The Poles asked they be replaced with F16's. Which lets face it, although capable aircraft, they are not cutting edge are they? And the US will need to replace them all sooner or later. What you been smokin bro?

Ah yes here we go. The rabid attack on Biden from a Trumpet. That was the whole point of your post wasn't it. 

The rest of your post is inane nonsense I will not engage with.

 

[Freeduhdumb]

Another objective perspective that needs to be taken into consideration... 
 

 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Freeduhdumb said:

Another objective perspective that needs to be taken into consideration... 
 

No it doesn't. Do you think Russia is not throwing every missile they have available even if they are old?

The fact they are reduced to throwing the old stuff is even more telling. Running out of supplies. Thats a position of weakness. Especially given Czar Putin had to retreat from the rest of the Ukraine because his forces were defeated. 

[Freeduhdumb]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No it doesn't. Do you think Russia is not throwing every missile they have available even if they are old?

The fact they are reduced to throwing the old stuff is even more telling. Running out of supplies. Thats a position of weakness. Especially given Czar Putin had to retreat from the rest of the Ukraine because his forces were defeated. 

It's immediately obvious you don't really have a full grasp, a full understanding of what is ACTUALLY happening on the ground. Russia has just about secured the entire Donbass/Eastern Ukraine region. Russia is clearly not in any retreat situation... I don't know where you're getting your information from... but your opinion here is so far off reality that none of what you say here, and likely future comments, can be taken seriously. 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Freeduhdumb said:

It's immediately obvious you don't really have a full grasp, a full understanding of what is ACTUALLY happening on the ground. Russia has just about secured the entire Donbass/Eastern Ukraine region. Russia is clearly not in any retreat situation... I don't know where you're getting your information from... but your opinion here is so far off reality that none of what you say here, and likely future comments, can be taken seriously. 

Oh OK they are not retreating from Kyiv then.

Its good you are here to clarify this. All the rest of us thought the territorial gains the Ukrainians were making were real around Kyiv.

What was that about being taken seriously?

[Fanta]

34 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Are you saying the aircraft Poland has already offered to hand over cannot be handed over? 

Biden already said NO because he fears an escalation. 

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

The fact they are reduced to throwing the old stuff is even more telling. Running out of supplies. Thats a position of weakness. Especially given Czar Putin had to retreat from the rest of the Ukraine because his forces were defeated. 

Russia claims to have taken the center of Mariupol. Link below and a map. Note the red stuff forming a land corridor from Crimea to Russia with the disputed regions in the middle. Russia withdrew from the north and they are attacking the disputed regions. That doesn’t sound like an army running out supplies and on the verge of defeat. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682 

And war crimes? Need to go to the International Criminal Court for that. Problem is that the US, Russia and China are not under ICC jurisdiction. The Security Council can refer Russia to the ICC however China will veto it the same way they condemned the suspension of Russia from the Human Rights Council. 

 

[ArthurCel]

Here someone is either openly lying or he has a cognitive deficency. The market strike was in Donbas, a separatist Ukrainian region which the Ukranian government is fighting and bombing since the last 8 years! Additionally it is presently now under complete Russian control. Why would the Russians bomb themselves with so much of Ukranian territory left to be "invaded"? It is absolutely obvious that the carnage was caused by an Ukrainian missile attack. Only someone very missinformed could think otherwise. And regarding what the article says:  ".... Russia claimed it struck an hypersonic missile at an Ukrainian weapons depot, however.... it had struck a farm" : well, so happen that the weapons depot was inside a farm, as the military vehicles and equipment struck with it do clearly confirm it. What business would any invading army have by wasting missiles strucking harmless farms rather than the resisting enemy facilities? Ah ... right: the Russians are comletely crazy and first they shoot at themeselves and then prefer bombing sheeps and goats rather than their belligerant opponents. Choose by yourself what do make sense and what does'nt.

 

[Jinjok]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

All out war means the plebs are fighting each other on both sides. 

We fix this by forcing a regime change in Russia. Everything we can do. Many have already been implemented. Sanctions must remain in place for as long as Czar Putin remains in power. The west should make that clear so those around Czar Putin know there is only one way to fix this.

Hand over the planes to the Ukraine but allow them to fly from Polish airbases. After all its not NATO assets involved in this. Its Ukrainian pilots engaged in training exercises while based in a NATO country. Where those Ukrainian pilots go and what they do after they take off is not our business.

Would Czar Putin attack Polish airbases? No chance. His military cant take on a well motivated and equipped Ukraine. He knows he has zero chance against professional western forces in NATO. 

Czar Putin was full of bluff and bluster before this invasion took place. Now he is curiously quiet and avoids personal contact with anyone. He has virtually no friends any more.

All he can do is order the shelling and missile strikes of civilians in the hope that everyone else comes to him seeking peace.

But thats not happening. He is losing the war. His economy is trashed. His sole source of hard currency is dwindling. The atrocities simply harden peoples opinions against him.

Putin is a dead man walking.

Not sure if this is satire, if not you should seriously refrain from too much TV.

The constant shelling of Donbass sice 8 years and Bio Labs (30 or how many?), planning to get nukes and maybe some more dark stuff of the most corrupt country was the reason for this "Operation".

There is however a real possibility of NATO invading, loads of troops and Armour is arriving in Poland. Some Think Tanks in the US might think there is a chance of surviving a nuclear local conflict.

There is not, Russia will retaliate to the head, which is Amerika, so there is that.

At the moment it is Russian superiority (NATO will be erased in no time) but not forever.

I fear it will escalate. Russian Dominance will pull the rug under the american Petro Dollar and that can not be left unanswered even if it means the poodles like EU and UK will go down together. At the moment we have a reserved Putin not answering as bad as he could.

So there is hope.

[alex12345]

can we do less ukraine news please thaiger. .. your not in the ukraine. .i can get enough of this in daily mail and its better than yours fellaz..

If I want to hear about ukraine i wont be looking at a thai news  website .. you got me brah

[Alavan]

2 hours ago, Raugh said:

Maybe all of we don't care and don't like the idea of "handing" over multi-billion dollar pieces of aircraft in yet another gaffe by Biden's administration.

Please explain what is the gaffe of the Biden administration.
I can't see anything Biden, or anybody else in the West could have done to change Putin's mind.

(or maybe his could friend Donald could have donr that)

[Alavan]

42 minutes ago, ArthurCel said:

Here someone is either openly lying or he has a cognitive deficency. The market strike was in Donbas, a separatist Ukrainian region which the Ukranian government is fighting and bombing since the last 8 years! Additionally it is presently now under complete Russian control. Why would the Russians bomb themselves with so much of Ukranian territory left to be "invaded"? It is absolutely obvious that the carnage was caused by an Ukrainian missile attack. Only someone very missinformed could think otherwise. And regarding what the article says:  ".... Russia claimed it struck an hypersonic missile at an Ukrainian weapons depot, however.... it had struck a farm" : well, so happen that the weapons depot was inside a farm, as the military vehicles and equipment struck with it do clearly confirm it. What business would any invading army have by wasting missiles strucking harmless farms rather than the resisting enemy facilities? Ah ... right: the Russians are comletely crazy and first they shoot at themeselves and then prefer bombing sheeps and goats rather than their belligerant opponents. Choose by yourself what do make sense and what does'nt.

So please explain why the Ukrainians would bomb a trainstation where 4000 people were trying to get on a train escaping the Russians, bound on a train to Western Ukrain.

 

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, Fanta said:

Biden already said NO because he fears an escalation. 

To be fair it’s not his call. The Biden administration killed the idea because Poland wanted Ukraine to take possession from a US base in Germany. Biden can say “no” to that. The problem isn’t so much one of escalation, it’s of replacement. Poland wanted the US to backfill the loss with F-16s which they know how to fly. Again a US decision and one they couldn’t fulfill as the next ones being built are going to Taiwan. Poland is now looking at buying Swedish Gripens or maybe Korean light attack planes. Those will be reimbursed by the EU. The Polish Mig-29s first have to be modified, with the NATO avionics removed and replaced. I have a feeling we won’t hear about the transfer until well after it happens. 
 

The escalation with equipment is already happening. NATO countries are currently sending T-72 tanks and AFVs. Germany is even considering sending top of the line Leopard-2 tanks. Of course some level of training will be required with those. 
https://www.politico.eu/article/scholz-holds-up-german-tank-delivery-to-ukraine/amp/

[Alavan]

40 minutes ago, Jinjok said:

Not sure if this is satire, if not you should seriously refrain from too much TV.

The constant shelling of Donbass sice 8 years and Bio Labs (30 or how many?), planning to get nukes and maybe some more dark stuff of the most corrupt country was the reason for this "Operation".

There is however a real possibility of NATO invading, loads of troops and Armour is arriving in Poland. Some Think Tanks in the US might think there is a chance of surviving a nuclear local conflict.

There is not, Russia will retaliate to the head, which is Amerika, so there is that.

At the moment it is Russian superiority (NATO will be erased in no time) but not forever.

I fear it will escalate. Russian Dominance will pull the rug under the american Petro Dollar and that can not be left unanswered even if it means the poodles like EU and UK will go down together. At the moment we have a reserved Putin not answering as bad as he could.

So there is hope.

Russians have big problems with a single country like Ukrain. How will they show their superiority to NATO and succeed in conquering all of Western Europe? And Western Europe has nuclear bombs also. French, Brittish and US bombs stationed in NATO countries.
The result of that war would be devastating, and nobody would win.

[astro]

47 minutes ago, alex12345 said:

.i can get enough of this in daily mail

But this is different from the Daily Mail propaganda.