News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[KRLMRX]

23 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Did you really just equate everyday presidential decisions to deaths in war?   So the decision to on which person will fill an opening at the 9th district appeals court is equal to bombing a maternity hospital? 

yes, US presidents do nothing but decide on court vacancies.

and, moreover, they give toys to children and sing in the church choir.

and so goes their hard day's work.

[BigHewer]

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[Marble-eye]

6 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

Do these kids deserve more death?

In 2018 the UNICEF Ukraine reported on Twitter that over 140 children were killed or injured by mines during the war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_of_Angels

Justifying the brutal killing of children and babies in Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine by showing other deaths is pathetic and just shows how much empathy you lack. I feel for the young Russian conscripts that were lied to and sent into a battle againgst men and a leader who were prepared to give all to stop the murderous invaders from taking their country by force. 

Are you so cold and devoid of any feelings for the Russian mothers who will never see their child again, this Russian mother spoke to her son about 10 days ago and he told her out of the whole regiment only 10 boys survived, but hey let's not say anything bad about Putin eh.

Your thoughts Karl is this a acceptable or do we still get the usual spin of 'hey, it's a war and these things happen'. I just wonder if these boys were yours would you still be flying Putins banner of lies.

 

 

[KRLMRX]

14 minutes ago, Smithydog said:

They do. We have seen that with Covid-19. But do tell us. Who of the current western leaders has decided to start a war by invading another independent country, instigating the death of civilians including children?

Biden hasn't made it yet. Almost all of his other predecessors considered it their duty to invade at least one country. But the children there, of course, did not die. Only the bad guys died, all the good guys survived.

[Pinetree]

1 hour ago, Guest1 said:

And the following nuclear winter will save climate. Even the overpopulation will shrink, first from Russia to America plus even more when africa can't feed there people any longer. Good plan you have [/irony]

win win then and the added attraction is more promotion and medals. 

[Smithydog]

The invasion by the Russian Federation into the sovereign territory of another independent country, in this case Ukraine, has once again highlighted the ability of permanent members of UN Security Council to hide behind the veto power they have.

The inability of the members of the UN to override a veto, especially when the one exercising that power is the aggressor in a conflict as is the case in Ukraine, highlights once again how much it belongs in times of old and not a current supportive mechanism in International Law.

Russian President Vladimir Putin once praised the "profound wisdom" of the founders of the United Nations, referring to the veto power as the underpinning of international stability. No surprise then that the combined Russian Federation and USSR vetos well exceed another permanent member. Is now the "stability" he refers to?

All permanent members have used it at some time to further or support their national interests. This latest war in Ukraine has just highlighted again its ineffectiveness in support of what the majority of nations on the planet have indicated their support of. In this case, a cessation by the Russian Federation of their illegal invasion of Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power

[Stardust]

2 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

Fine words butter no parsnips and the only truth here is that Putin is killing innocent civilians including women and children. 

These empty prams represent the lives of innocent young lives that have been killed on the orders of the megalomaniac murderer that is your leader Putin. Keep justifying his actions, I'm sure you will.

"109 empty baby prams were placed in a square in the centre of the Ukrainian city of Lviv, to mark each of the children slaughtered by Vladimir Putin's forces since the Russian invasion began.

The heartbreaking images show rows and rows of empty prams of various colours, set out in the Rynok square in the historic western Ukrainian city under blue skies."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/109-empty-prams-placed-square-26501989

The sad thing they cannot take the truth they want their fake news and propaganda

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/18/asia/wang-jixian-chinese-vlogger-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Marble-eye said:

Justifying the brutal killing of children and babies in Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine by showing other deaths is pathetic and just shows how much empathy you lack. I feel for the young Russian conscripts that were lied to and sent into a battle againgst men and a leader who were prepared to give all to stop the murderous invaders from taking their country by force. 

Are you so cold and devoid of any feelings for the Russian mothers who will never see their child again, this Russian mother spoke to her son about 10 days ago and he told her out of the whole regiment only 10 boys survived, but hey let's not say anything bad about Putin eh.

Your thoughts Karl is this a acceptable or do we still get the usual spin of 'hey, it's a war and these things happen'. I just wonder if these boys were yours would you still be flying Putins banner of lies.

I feel sorry for all the innocent victims of all wars.

But, here on the forum, most Westerners believe that the death of children in Donetsk is less important.

There are no fewer photos and videos from the other side of this war, but you will only see the tragedies of one of the sides.

This is a video of the last strike of the Ukrainian army on Donetsk, killing dozens of people, including a child.

 

 

I'm just trying to restore the information balance.

[oldschooler]

15 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

yes, only former NATO generals, intelligence officers and other specialists never lie and in no case are they on the payroll of the government. absolutely independent and impartial.

Amen.

They can’t all lie at the same time on the same subject. They would be swiftly & openly discredited and lose reputation & income, like the Steele / Clinton Intel dossier incident, a very rare occurrence. Also irrelevant how they are paid as they are judged on facts & analysis. 

[Marble-eye]

2 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I feel sorry for all the innocent victims of all wars.

But, here on the forum, most Westerners believe that the death of children in Donetsk is less important.

There are no fewer photos and videos from the other side of this war, but you will only see the tragedies of one of the sides.

This is a video of the last strike of the Ukrainian army on Donetsk, killing dozens of people, including a child.

I'm just trying to restore the information balance.

There isn't any information balance Karl, the Russia citizens are being shielded from any information about the war, infact they are being told they are liberating Ukraine and those poor conscripts were told they were going on exercise (drills, as the mother called it).

Dogs get more information by smelling each others backsides than the info that is coming out of the State controlled TV.

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I feel sorry for all the innocent victims of all wars.

But, here on the forum, most Westerners believe that the death of children in Donetsk is less important.

There are no fewer photos and videos from the other side of this war, but you will only see the tragedies of one of the sides.

This is a video of the last strike of the Ukrainian army on Donetsk, killing dozens of people, including a child.

I'm just trying to restore the information balance.

No you are parroting Russian disinformation, lies and propaganda. 

Since Czar Putin came to power he has invaded five countries. And yet you seem to think its US presidents who invade other countries. 

[Shark]

8 hours ago, Smithydog said:

No. There is a difference. Russian Media has been blocked for continued spreading of violent misinformation from Putin who instigated a war.

but doesn't Ukraine do the same or America for what that's worth.

[Fester]

3 hours ago, EdwardV said:

Did he not order tanks and troops to attack Ukraine? 
 

unless you are prepared to tell me someone physically put a gun to his head…anything else it was his choice. 

Behave Your Majesty. The key word being discussed was luck.

[Fester]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

I feel sorry for all the innocent victims of all wars.

But, here on the forum, most Westerners believe that the death of children in Donetsk is less important.

There are no fewer photos and videos from the other side of this war, but you will only see the tragedies of one of the sides.

This is a video of the last strike of the Ukrainian army on Donetsk, killing dozens of people, including a child.

I'm just trying to restore the information balance.

Try harder - this is more Russian gander.

[EdwardV]

35 minutes ago, Fester said:

Behave Your Majesty. The key word being discussed was luck.

What does luck have to do with it? Putin made a calculated decision to invade Ukraine. It’s not like he spun a bottle on a table with names of countries to invade and it ended at Ukraine. On the other side it was Ukraine who asked for western help in fighting Russia. Again no luck involved. The entire event was pre planned by Putin. He has clearly had some bad luck but how Ukraine was chosen there was no luck involved. 

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Marble-eye said:

There isn't any information balance Karl, the Russia citizens are being shielded from any information about the war, infact they are being told they are liberating Ukraine and those poor conscripts were told they were going on exercise (drills, as the mother called it).

Dogs get more information by smelling each others backsides than the info that is coming out of the State controlled TV.

Europeans and North Americans are also protected from information in the same way, in fact they are told that bloodthirsty Russia attacked plush Ukraine. Based on this, defense budgets are being increased and taxpayers' money is being spent on arms supplies to Ukraine.

[KRLMRX]

49 minutes ago, Fester said:

Try harder - this is more Russian gander.

because of such chauvinistic views the world is heading for the abyss.

[Marble-eye]

Just now, KRLMRX said:

Europeans and North Americans are also protected from information in the same way, in fact they are told that bloodthirsty Russia attacked plush Ukraine. Based on this, defense budgets are being increased and taxpayers' money is being spent on arms supplies to Ukraine.

It shouldn't matter to you Karl what western presses are telling anyone, we can chose to ignore or listen to what we are being told, you don't have that option.

The western presses are telling us there is a war in the Ukraine...you are not told the this. We are being told that Russia is shelling civilian tenements blocks...you are not told this. We have been told that Russia has invaded Ukraine....you have not been told this.

So Karl would it be fair to say that the Russian media via the voice of Putin is being very economical with the truth.

You do come across as an intelligent sort of a guy, why all this head burying in the sand, surely you can see what is happening even if you care not to admit it.

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Marble-eye said:

It shouldn't matter to you Karl what western presses are telling anyone, we can chose to ignore or listen to what we are being told, you don't have that option.

The western presses are telling us there is a war in the Ukraine...you are not told the this. We are being told that Russia is shelling civilian tenements blocks...you are not told this. We have been told that Russia has invaded Ukraine....you have not been told this.

So Karl would it be fair to say that the Russian media via the voice of Putin is being very economical with the truth.

You do come across as an intelligent sort of a guy, why all this head burying in the sand, surely you can see what is happening even if you care not to admit it.

Marble, I, too, can ignore the propaganda of the Russian media, like most Russians.

You are mistaken if you think that there is a significant difference between Putin, Biden and Macron - one system, one method, the same result.

The difference is that I am aware of it and you are not. So I suggest you stick your head out of the sand and face the truth.

[Stardust]

30 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

Marble, I, too, can ignore the propaganda of the Russian media, like most Russians.

You are mistaken if you think that there is a significant difference between Putin, Biden and Macron - one system, one method, the same result.

The difference is that I am aware of it and you are not. So I suggest you stick your head out of the sand and face the truth.

There is only one who is massmurdering civilians and his name is Putin and Russia. There is no doubt you are the brainwashed one who not see the truth nobody else. Not Biden or anybody else all blood is on the hand of Putin and Russia thereis zero doubt about it and no other truth!

The whole world watch the genocide of the ukrainian people by Putin and Russian army!

And supporters like you take responsibility fir this, too!

[Stardust]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

Marble, I, too, can ignore the propaganda of the Russian media, like most Russians.

You are mistaken if you think that there is a significant difference between Putin, Biden and Macron - one system, one method, the same result.

The difference is that I am aware of it and you are not. So I suggest you stick your head out of the sand and face the truth.

No differences??!!

 

[Alavan]

22 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

I have only one question: why are you, the free people of the civilized world, being blocked from an alternative point of view?

not for the same reasons?

Agree there is fake news from both sides, but:

If I see and hear the spokeswoman of the Russian gouvernment declare that Russia doesn't bomb Ukrainian cities (must be the Russian/alternative point of view) and in the same news see the dammage in Ukranian towns on civiel buildings and the theatre in Marioepol, then I think WTF???
If you see that, you can't accept any declaration from Russia as true.

[Alavan]

20 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

Marx was born and brought up immediately after the victory over Napoleon, when Russia was the "gendarme of Europe", when "not a single gun in Europe could fire without the permission of the Russian Tsar."

I think you forgot the British Empire and Queen Victoria in the 19th century. I think they were the gendarmes.
At the start of WWI they were all cousins: emperors in Russia, Germany and King of UK.

[KRLMRX]

9 minutes ago, Alavan said:

Agree there is fake news from both sides, but:

If I see and hear the spokeswoman of the Russian gouvernment declare that Russia doesn't bomb Ukrainian cities (must be the Russian/alternative point of view) and in the same news see the dammage in Ukranian towns on civiel buildings and the theatre in Marioepol, then I think WTF???
If you see that, you can't accept any declaration from Russia as true.

because you were shown something, did you agree to the restriction of your rights to free access to information? you are being manipulated.

[KRLMRX]

9 minutes ago, Alavan said:

I think you forgot the British Empire and Queen Victoria in the 19th century. I think they were the gendarmes.
At the start of WWI they were all cousins: emperors in Russia, Germany and King of UK.

of course I didn't forget.  

But the Russian Empire at that time was in the vanguard of the struggle against the revolutionary upsurge in Europe.  

And Marx, as the author of the laws of the development of society, rightly considered such behavior of Russia to be destructive and harmful to progress.