News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

I think you will find Czar Putin is far smaller. Physically, militarily and economically. He also appears to have very small hands as well. If you catch my drift. 

physically, I think he will beat the handsome Johnson, the metrosexual Macron and the jolly Scholz.  Justin from Canada will say "Putin is a fool" and run away.  Biden will sleep through this fight.

Militarily, it is in the top five and, as recent events show, ignores the leader and has clear support for the second number.  

Economically, it loses a lot, but it seems that this is not a problem for him, besides, history is fleeting, 50 years ago one eastern Putin ruled a gloomy outback, and now it will very soon be the world's first economy.

[Fundok]

5 hours ago, Alavan said:

How about Zirinovsky?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity 

How about Russian National Unity?

What about the "Night Wolves", a militant Rocker motorcycle ganz with close ties to Putin?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Wolves

Or the "Wagner Group" mercenaries?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

No such thing in Ukraine.

 

[Fundok]

3 hours ago, BigHewer said:

Agreed. When I was in Russia, he was regarded with derision whenever his name came up. Never met a supporter.

Well, actually he has done surprisingly well as president for having been a comedian.

Reagan was an actor too, and come to speak of comedians I cannot help thinking of Boris Johnson.

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Alavan said:

That is what I said, you find them in every country, so don’t just focus on a few hundred Ukrainians.

you walk in circles, I'm used to it.  In Russia, these are outcasts; in Ukraine, this is state policy.  this is the difference.

[KRLMRX]

59 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

US film-maker Brent Renaud killed by Russian forces in Ukraine | Ukraine | The Guardian

Sky News journalists evacuated after being shot by Russian ‘death squad’ | World news | The Guardian

Its getting out of control. Now the media are targets for Czar Putins henchmen. 

it’s a pity for this brave man, but there is a Russian proverb “a bullet is a fool”, fragments from a rocket cannot think.

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

for the past at least 10 years, this neo-Nazi procession has been taking place in the center of Kyiv, the city authorities allow it, the police guard it, Stepan Bandera, in whose honor torches are lit, stands as a monument in almost every major city of Ukraine.

Near zero actual relevance to Russia’s lunatic murderous assault on Ukraine.

Communism 100 million killed in Russia & China  “outscores” Nazism 30 million dead. Stalin Mao Hitler equally insane. As if Russian  Communism was “ better”  than Nazism …..at murdering people.

[KRLMRX]

19 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Near zero actual relevance to Russia’s lunatic murderous assault on Ukraine.

Communism 100 million killed in Russia & China  “outscores” Nazism 30 million dead. Stalin Mao Hitler equally insane. As if Russian  Communism was “ better”  than Nazism …..at murdering people.

the speech in the topic is not about the connection with the attack, but about the support of the state of Ukraine for neo-Nazi manifestations. be careful.

why Nazism killed 30 million? only the USSR lost 26 million 6 million Jews, at least. Where else is at least 50 million?

You don't consider the Chinese as people, ok... you wrote down the 70 million Chinese killed during WW2 as victims of communism? cunning trickster. 

Edited March 13, 2022 by KRLMRX

[EdwardV]

4 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

sorry, but you don’t understand at all what it means for the Russians, who lost tens of millions of people in the last war against the Nazis, a Nazi parade, supported by the state, with calls to kill Russians. For many in Russia, this is enough to justify what is happening.

Sorry but you don’t understand what this war is really about. Nazis, brotherhood, bio labs, nuclear aspersions, thats all BS. The Nazi line is nothing more than red meat to Russian nationals. They are excuses to hid behind. It’s not even about Ukraine the country. It’s about geography and population. The geography Ukraine occupies and the dying population of Russia. It’s why Georgia was invaded, and why Russian troops are in Armenia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. The Russian geography post USSR collapse was horrible. The entire country east of China was wide open, no defendable borders at all. These moves along with Ukraine will plug most of those holes. That’s being done because the Russian demographics suck. They are the fastest aging population in the world outside of China. By 2030 there will be 1M less people alive in Russia, and half as many draft age men as there were in 2015. It’s that last one is why Russia is attacking now. Wait another 10-15 years and they don’t have an army big enough to threaten NATO anymore. Let alone attack and occupy the Baltic states which are next in line. 

[KRLMRX]

16 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

The geography Ukraine occupies and the dying population of Russia. It’s why Georgia was invaded, and why Russian troops are in Armenia, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

demography in Russia is bad, there is no doubt about it.  But, have you seen Georgia on the map, and even more so the parts of it now controlled - Abkhazia and South Ossetia?  Do you seriously want to convince readers that these tens of thousands can change the demographics in Russia?  

Try again, it's worse than Grandma Nancy's nonsense.  

there are no Russian troops in Kazakhstan.

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

demography in Russia is bad, there is no doubt about it.  But, have you seen Georgia on the map, and even more so the parts of it now controlled - Abkhazia and South Ossetia?  Do you seriously want to convince readers that these tens of thousands can change the demographics in Russia?  

Georgia and the other places are not about adding population to Russia. You completely missed the point. It’s about adding their lands. One of the nine historical invasion routes into the Russian heartland runs through Georgia. Russia has now blocked that route by anchoring its defense into the western mountain range. Invading armies don’t like to travel through mountain ranges, defense is too easy. 
 

What Russia is trying to create are borders that can be defended by its soon to be much smaller army. Think about this, at the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Russian population was around 300M. Today it’s about 130M and that only if you believe the numbers out of Moscow. Russia has the lowest birth rate and lowest life expectancy in Europe. Basically it’s a dead man walking. Problem is as countries collapse, they have a habit of creating all types of problems for their neighbors on the way out.  

[dj230]

4 hours ago, Fundok said:

This is not true. Poland made an offer to send their MIGs to the US Airbase in Ramstein (GER) in exchange for US fighter jets but the US declined. No NATO jet fighters to enter into the Ukranian air space!

they changed their mind afterwards, this is Antony Blinken saying it in a video that they green lighted Poland sending their fighter jets to ukraine and that US was going to backfill Poland US fighter jets in replacement.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-nato-fighter-jets-antony-blinken-face-the-nation/

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by dj230

[Artemis080]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

US film-maker Brent Renaud killed by Russian forces in Ukraine | Ukraine | The Guardian

Sky News journalists evacuated after being shot by Russian ‘death squad’ | World news | The Guardian

Its getting out of control. Now the media are targets for Czar Putins henchmen. 

Yup multiple reports and video evidence of jouralists being fired upon after identifying themselves. Normally, I stay clear of Sky News, but it pretty much speaks for itself.

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[BigHewer]

8 hours ago, Fundok said:

Well, actually he has done surprisingly well as president for having been a comedian.

Reagan was an actor too, and come to speak of comedians I cannot help thinking of Boris Johnson.

Cross wires there @Fundok

I was referring to Zhirinovsky, not Zelensky.

[Smithydog]

Hi all,

Can I ask all members to just exercise some caution in choosing posts to challenge.

We are seeing instances where a member challenges the accuracy of a post from days past, as it seems inaccurate. However, the contents of the original post were correct at the time of posting. It is just that things have changed since. That happens in any fast changing environment like we are seeing in Ukraine.

Please, just check the time stamp of the original post before challenging it on accuracy. 

Thanks

Moderator

 

[Marble-eye]

10 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

no, Marble, I have no such data. If you have data that Stalin killed more than 6 million Ukrainians - welcome

Karl, it is very difficult to quantify the exact number of deaths caused by the heinous crimes of Stalin, millions either way is the best we have. Nobody probably documented the crimes of Stalin and probably nobody ever dared.

 

"Known as the Holodomor, the massive famine in 1932-33 was brought on by Stalinist collectivization policies. During the famine, Moscow insisted on increasing production quotas and confiscating seed grain while peasants starved."

 

"While it affected citizens across the the Soviet Union, Ukraine was hit especially hard. Millions starved to death, though the exact tally of victims has been a matter of dispute. Some scholars, such as Ukrainian-Canadian historian John-Paul Himka, have placed the number at around 4 million, while Ukrainian nationalists claim more than twice as many."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/stalin-killed-more-ukrainians-than-hitler-killed-jews-says-congressman/

 

[KRLMRX]

6 hours ago, EdwardV said:

Georgia and the other places are not about adding population to Russia. You completely missed the point. It’s about adding their lands. One of the nine historical invasion routes into the Russian heartland runs through Georgia. Russia has now blocked that route by anchoring its defense into the western mountain range. Invading armies don’t like to travel through mountain ranges, defense is too easy. 
 

What Russia is trying to create are borders that can be defended by its soon to be much smaller army. Think about this, at the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Russian population was around 300M. Today it’s about 130M and that only if you believe the numbers out of Moscow. Russia has the lowest birth rate and lowest life expectancy in Europe. Basically it’s a dead man walking. Problem is as countries collapse, they have a habit of creating all types of problems for their neighbors on the way out.  

The deployment of Russian troops in Abkhazia and South Ossetia (a few kilometers from mainland Russia) will have almost no effect on Russia's defense capability.  

in 1989 there were no 300 million Russians, you are confusing Russians with Soviets.  

The birth rate in Russia is even higher than in England.  How soon will there be no England?  Who do you think will take over and will they be friendlier?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/birth-rate

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/birth-rate

 

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Marble-eye said:

Karl, it is very difficult to quantify the exact number of deaths caused by the heinous crimes of Stalin, millions either way is the best we have. Nobody probably documented the crimes of Stalin and probably nobody ever dared.

"Known as the Holodomor, the massive famine in 1932-33 was brought on by Stalinist collectivization policies. During the famine, Moscow insisted on increasing production quotas and confiscating seed grain while peasants starved."

 

"While it affected citizens across the the Soviet Union, Ukraine was hit especially hard. Millions starved to death, though the exact tally of victims has been a matter of dispute. Some scholars, such as Ukrainian-Canadian historian John-Paul Himka, have placed the number at around 4 million, while Ukrainian nationalists claim more than twice as many."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/stalin-killed-more-ukrainians-than-hitler-killed-jews-says-congressman/

there was a famine in the USSR in the 1930s, but it was not directed against Ukrainians - people of all nationalities died in the agricultural regions of the USSR (Ukraine, the Volga region, Kazakhstan, South Siberia).  

By the way, at the same time, according to eyewitnesses, there was a famine in the United States.  Why did Hoover kill US citizens?

[Smithydog]

16 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

The deployment of Russian troops in Abkhazia and South Ossetia (a few kilometers from mainland Russia) will have almost no effect on Russia's defense capability.  

in 1989 there were no 300 million Russians, you are confusing Russians with Soviets.  

The birth rate in Russia is even higher than in England.  How soon will there be no England?  Who do you think will take over and will they be friendlier?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/birth-rate

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/birth-rate

Despite some relatively early apparent stumbles by the UK Government, one could cynically say that the population of the UK, like other European countries, will increase as they take in the refugees from the effects of the Russian aggression in the UK.

I am equally sure those people will likely find a greater level of happiness than the current circumstances being forced upon them.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/597818-un-says-more-than-25-million-refugees-have-left-ukraine

Seems some Russians have the same idea.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60624500

 

[Smithydog]

11 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

there was a famine in the USSR in the 1930s, but it was not directed against Ukrainians - people of all nationalities died in the agricultural regions of the USSR (Ukraine, the Volga region, Kazakhstan, South Siberia).  

By the way, at the same time, according to eyewitnesses, there was a famine in the United States.  Why did Hoover kill US citizens?

Common @KRLMRX. I have read several of your posts and found them to provide an interesting perspective. But, are you really trying to compare what Stalin did in his tenure to Hoover?

Even Putin has acknowledged the depth of the purges, how wrong they were and seemingly vowing for them never to be repeated.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-purges-idUSL3072723020071030

Hmmm....Considering what Putin is doing now and what he has said, perhaps we can't take him for his words or vows!

Edited March 14, 2022 by Smithydog
typo

[PBS]

16 minutes ago, Smithydog said:

Common @KRLMRX. I have read several of your posts and found them to provide an interesting perspective. But, are you really trying to compare what Stalin did in his tenure to Hoover?

Even Putin has acknowledged the depth of the purges, how wrong they were and seemingly vowing for them never to be repeated.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-purges-idUSL3072723020071030

Hmmm....Considering what Putin is doing now and what he has said, perhaps we can't take him for his words or vows!

In fact life expectancy increased during Hoover's presidency...

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0904491106

[Fundok]

5 hours ago, BigHewer said:

Cross wires there @Fundok

I was referring to Zhirinovsky, not Zelensky.

Oops. I was a bit irritated about your comment; makes sense now.

[oldschooler]

13 hours ago, EdwardV said:

Georgia and the other places are not about adding population to Russia. You completely missed the point. It’s about adding their lands. One of the nine historical invasion routes into the Russian heartland runs through Georgia. Russia has now blocked that route by anchoring its defense into the western mountain range. Invading armies don’t like to travel through mountain ranges, defense is too easy. 
 

What Russia is trying to create are borders that can be defended by its soon to be much smaller army. Think about this, at the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Russian population was around 300M. Today it’s about 130M and that only if you believe the numbers out of Moscow. Russia has the lowest birth rate and lowest life expectancy in Europe. Basically it’s a dead man walking. Problem is as countries collapse, they have a habit of creating all types of problems for their neighbors on the way out.  

The sooner the better. what a nightmare Russia has been for civilization since 1918 and then stealing nuclear weapon secrets 1947 and almost destroying the world twice in fact over their stupid inhuman dogma. 

[oldschooler]

5 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

there was a famine in the USSR in the 1930s, but it was not directed against Ukrainians - people of all nationalities died in the agricultural regions of the USSR (Ukraine, the Volga region, Kazakhstan, South Siberia).  

By the way, at the same time, according to eyewitnesses, there was a famine in the United States.  Why did Hoover kill US citizens?

There was never famine in USA. Stalin deliberately murdered the rich peasants by confiscating their grain 20-30 million dead ? Nobody has starved in USA or modern west . 

[JohnC]

7 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

The sooner the better. what a nightmare Russia has been for civilization since 1918 and then stealing nuclear weapon secrets 1947 and almost destroying the world twice in fact over their stupid inhuman dogma. 

Sorry old boy but couldn't that be said also of Britain, Germany and America especially?

I repeat myself again by saying I'm in no way condoning what Russia and Putin are doing but we're definitely not innocent when it comes to the mess the world is in today

All world leaders have been incompetent when it comes to achieving relative peace  

Makes me question if they really want it

[oldschooler]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

Sorry old boy but couldn't that be said also of Britain, Germany and America especially?

I repeat myself again by saying I'm in no way condoning what Russia and Putin are doing but we're definitely not innocent when it comes to the mess the world is in today

All world leaders have been incompetent when it comes to achieving relative peace  

Makes me question if they really want it

West never threatened world destruction like Soviets. No Equivalence at all.