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[KRLMRX]

35 minutes ago, PBS said:

Because the claim is unverified. In anycase the claim appears to be propaganda by Russian State controlled media e.g. Tass (link not provided as known misinformation site). IMO it is unfortunate, as a representative of the enemy, you are permitted to post by abusing the West's "Freedom of Speech"; especially unproven claims in breech of forum rules.

and who verified the information that the Russian army blew up the theater?

TASS is a news agency, just like Reuters.

For you, the enemy is anyone who does not agree with the information in the CNN?

You can also register on the website of a Russian newspaper and write comments there.

[Marble-eye]

4 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

and who verified the information that the Russian army blew up the theater?

TASS is a news agency, just like Reuters.

For you, the enemy is anyone who does not agree with the information in the CNN?

You can also register on the website of a Russian newspaper and write comments there.

Help me out here Karl, how can TASS be like Reuters when TASS is government owned?

[Stardust]

9 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

and who verified the information that the Russian army blew up the theater?

TASS is a news agency, just like Reuters.

For you, the enemy is anyone who does not agree with the information in the CNN?

You can also register on the website of a Russian newspaper and write comments there.

And get arrested and 15 years jail when you call a invasion invasion or a war a war

Are you a Clown or comedian or do you really believe what you write??

[oldschooler]

21 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

I feel sorry for all the innocent victims of all wars.

But, here on the forum, most Westerners believe that the death of children in Donetsk is less important.

There are no fewer photos and videos from the other side of this war, but you will only see the tragedies of one of the sides.

This is a video of the last strike of the Ukrainian army on Donetsk, killing dozens of people, including a child.

I'm just trying to restore the information balance.

Clearly Staged. There were no kids killed in Donbass by military action before Putins Non- uniformed soldiers (in other words, Spies & Saboteurs) moved in with their heavy armaments,

including the Dutch -PROVEN Russian Army Missile & Crew that destroyed a Civilian Airliner in Ukrainian Aitspace.

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

the other side says that the Ukrainian battalion "Azov" (a unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine with the coat of arms of the Waffen SS) took up positions in this theater, knowing that civilians were hiding in the basement. And during the retreat he blew it up.

But CNN does not report such a version. I wonder why?

Yeah, surprised Putin didn’t pull that stunt in Donbass as pretext for invasion but instead he has somehow caught Ukrainian Army murdering their own kids, in a completely unnecessary false flag op. when the world can see Putin murdering civilians in apartment blocks and bread lines….   this ludicrous “ Azov” stunt is a new low, even for Putin …

[Guest1]

38 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Omg , Ukraine is the most monitored area at the moment in europe. What do you think all the fast respond units from the Nato are doing 24 hours. 

Abd what are you contributing to the "facts in question", S-Dust?

[Stardust]

Just now, Guest1 said:

Abd what are you contributing to the "facts in question", S-Dust?

Very simple the facts are already know and sooner or later the media outlets will receive it all, too.

[Guest1]

18 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Very simple the facts are already know and sooner or later the media outlets will receive it all, too.

Ah, so nothing. Like I thought

[Alavan]

2 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

the other side says that the Ukrainian battalion "Azov" (a unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine with the coat of arms of the Waffen SS) took up positions in this theater, knowing that civilians were hiding in the basement. And during the retreat he blew it up.

But CNN does not report such a version. I wonder why?

That battalion must be a formidable army blowing up civil buildings at the same time in Marioepol, Khankiv, Kiev, and other cities. How many soldiers ?

[BigHewer]

1 hour ago, Marble-eye said:

Other recent polling suggests that many Russians view the war in Ukraine differently from those in the West. A poll conducted in Russia last week by a group of independent survey research organizations (who have remained anonymous in order to avoid backlash from the Kremlin), found that about 58 percent of Russians approve of the invasion of Ukraine, while 23 percent oppose it. 

Very interesting data. There is a lot a finger pointing at Russian people for approving of the invasion. But I think it’s understandable that so many do so because of the information that they are exposed to. 

Just a tangential point here, but in 2003, when Iraq was invaded, 54% of the British public approved of the invasion. At the time, like their Russian counterparts now, they were being fed a load of tosh about WMDs to justify the action. I went back to visit family for Christmas that year, and was warned to keep my anti-invasion opinions to myself. 

Same tosh, my opinions are the same, but a different invasion. 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/06/03/remembering-iraq

[Poolie]

11 minutes ago, Alavan said:

That battalion must be a formidable army blowing up civil buildings at the same time in Marioepol, Khankiv, Kiev, and other cities. How many soldiers ?

Anything up to a 1000, in my day. Thankfully long past.

[Stardust]

19 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

Ah, so nothing. Like I thought

Omg how old are you?

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/index.html

There are infos out and I put it out already many hours ago this link on this forum!!! Can you read and understand this text?

130 survivors and it is estimated 800 til 1300 were inside. So they still at work to get out all bodies

But you have google,too???

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

only the older generation receives information from state TV, but even they have access to social networks and instant messengers, which also contain opposition views.

The younger generation under 50 almost without exception takes information from instant messengers and social networks, they themselves choose the ideological orientation of these sources.

Where did you get the information about 50% of Putin's support? See how much depends on the source? According to Russian agencies, his rating even increased and is now over 70%

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-approval-rating-poll-latest-levada-russia-1687543

The truth is that all of them invade somewhere, the fact that Putin did it last does not justify him, but it does not make him any more bloodthirsty.

You do understand how ridiculous you appear by coming on here day after day excusing Czar Putins illegal invasion of another sovereign country looks?

You see we in the west are not subject to propaganda. We have wide and varied sources of news and information. You do not.

You sit there with your Czar Putin bot database open and try to refute what everyone can see with their own eyes. When the database fails to come up with an answer as to someones comment you simply try whataboutery. 

So answer me this. Has Czar Putin invaded the Ukraine and started an illegal war with that country?

Yes or no. 

[Guest1]

19 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Omg how old are you?

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/index.html

There are infos out and I put it out already many hours ago this link on this forum!!! Can you read and understand this text?

130 survivors and it is estimated 800 til 1300 were inside. So they still at work to get out all bodies

But you have google,too???

Yes, you put ot a lot. And that a bit too fanatic, for my "taste"

 

Some 130 people have been recovered alive from a destroyed theatre in Mariupol, Ukrainian authorities said on Friday.

However, they also stressed more than 1,300 were still trapped in the basement of the building which was hit by a huge bomb on Wednesday. 

( https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/destroyed-mariupol-theatre-ukraine-survivors-russia-b989073.html )

Still trapped means not that they are dead. They just can't get to them,  get them out, right now.

I just find it confusing, they usually telling about every dead body as soon as they find one. And here, it started with "1000 people , incl. Kids, in bombed theater", but after it got revealed, that UNDER the theater is a real  bomb shelter, which withstand the bombing, it goes quiet?

Even such stuff is not making you think about the  reasons? 

 

[Rookiescot]

8 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

Yes, you put ot a lot. And that a bit too fanatic, for my "taste"

Some 130 people have been recovered alive from a destroyed theatre in Mariupol, Ukrainian authorities said on Friday.

However, they also stressed more than 1,300 were still trapped in the basement of the building which was hit by a huge bomb on Wednesday. 

( https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/destroyed-mariupol-theatre-ukraine-survivors-russia-b989073.html )

Still trapped means not that they are dead. They just can't get to them,  get them out, right now.

I just find it confusing, they usually telling about every dead body as soon as they find one. And here, it started with "1000 people , incl. Kids, in bombed theater", but after it got revealed, that UNDER the theater is a real  bomb shelter, which withstand the bombing, it goes quiet?

Even such stuff is not making you think about the  reasons? 

So Czar Putins forces attacked a bomb shelter clearly marked as having children in it.

We can agree on that.

[Stardust]

31 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

Yes, you put ot a lot. And that a bit too fanatic, for my "taste"

Some 130 people have been recovered alive from a destroyed theatre in Mariupol, Ukrainian authorities said on Friday.

However, they also stressed more than 1,300 were still trapped in the basement of the building which was hit by a huge bomb on Wednesday. 

( https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/destroyed-mariupol-theatre-ukraine-survivors-russia-b989073.html )

Still trapped means not that they are dead. They just can't get to them,  get them out, right now.

I just find it confusing, they usually telling about every dead body as soon as they find one. And here, it started with "1000 people , incl. Kids, in bombed theater", but after it got revealed, that UNDER the theater is a real  bomb shelter, which withstand the bombing, it goes quiet?

Even such stuff is not making you think about the  reasons? 

I sent you a link and it doesnt say somthing like that. They write 130 survivors and it is estimted that 800 til 1300 people were inside the building at the time it was bombed. Nothing about what you are claiming!

Do you understand the differences?

[Stardust]

26 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So Czar Putins forces attacked a bomb shelter clearly marked as having children in it.

We can agree on that.

There is nothing written about a bomb shelter or anything he is claiming in the link I gave him, just his own text.

[JohnC]

9 hours ago, Stardust said:

What an upper nonsense and rubbish. Interview is attacking police? Show a small piece of paper with the words no war?

Such sick comments are a mirror of the status of the minds of Putin supporters.

Europe will not forget the mass murdering of the civillians, babies, children and mothers.

It is very clear now for Europe and as they say:

You took the sword you will die by the sword!

You wanted war and made war you get war!

They will go for Putin and his supporters and they will get him dead or alive! And they will go for his supporters and this world wide. You supporting genocide and war, you will get the war!

Yeah too right we won't

The hypocrisy from someone of German descendant is astounding 

[Rookiescot]

Just now, Stardust said:

There is nothing written about a bomb shelter or anything he is claiming in the link I gave him, just his own text.

OK maybe I over simplified things. They were sheltering in the basement of a prominent and recognizable building with the words "Children" written in Russian at both ends of it.

[Fester]

2 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

and who verified the information that the Russian army blew up the theater?

TASS is a news agency, just like Reuters.

For you, the enemy is anyone who does not agree with the information in the CNN?

You can also register on the website of a Russian newspaper and write comments there.

TASS is a news agency but not just like Reuters because it is state owned and run.

[Stardust]

6 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Yeah too right we won't

The hypocrisy from someone of German descendant is astounding 

Yes and whats with my Thai descendants? Parents from 2 different continents sure the german/ europeanside must be a Nazi. It shows me how sick sombodies mind must be and reminds me of this Nazi claims about the Ukraine government and people!

[Smithydog]

23 hours ago, Shark said:

but doesn't Ukraine do the same or America for what that's worth.

Yes they do. And so should all when identified violent misinformation is being spread regardless of its source.

However, information or misinformation is just a result. Not the actual cause. Decisions made by leaders, and one in particular, has created the current situation we are seeing today.

Lies being spread about needs to "de-nazify" a country of 44 million people where the vast majority are just innocent bystanders. Russia used to have one of the best spy agencies and tradecraft in the world yet seem incapable of delivering factual proof of their allegations.

More so, they seem highly reluctant to take time to deliver their proof of the reality they supposedly believe in, when offered the chance at the United Nations, whose live broadcasts are not censored or controlled by western media.

They complain often about people not understanding or believing their narrative, or it not being shared, yet can't all of sudden seem to offer factual proof when asked by the rest of the world. This seems quite a hypocritical stance and one that does not engender belief in their narrative.

President Putin in his speech to his own NSC said:

As you know, we have been told that some NATO countries are against Ukraine becoming a member. However, despite their objections, in 2008, they signed a memorandum in Bucharest that opened the doors for Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO. I have not received an answer to my question as to why they did that. 

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67825

His inability to know why they did that is a fallacy as it is clearly stated, for example, in this NATO article, freely available for all to see.

https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html

Perhaps it is simply as he has failed to expand further his own “Collective Security Treaty Organization”, hurting his pride.

Regardless, if you want the world to understand and accept your actions, perhaps less statements criticising everyone else and instead showing real proof to the representatives of the world at the UN might just be a good start.

But hard to do if you don't have the proof which is increasingly looking like they don't.

Edited March 20, 2022 by Smithydog
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[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Yeah too right we won't

The hypocrisy from someone of German descendant is astounding 

Yeah sometimes as a Brit I look at how we were the first ones to invent concentration camps in South Africa and think "Why am I complaining about the Germans doing the same"? Surely it is pure hypocrisy for me to say such things.

Oh wait. It wasn't me who did it and it was a long time ago.

[Stardust]

14 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Yeah too right we won't

The hypocrisy from someone of German descendant is astounding 

Oh I forgot from the european side the Grandmother was from Italy, so I have descendants there, too. Exactly from Florence. And from the Thaiside also relatives khmer. I am looking forward to explain me what that means for me and in connection what I wrote!

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yeah sometimes as a Brit I look at how we were the first ones to invent concentration camps in South Africa and think "Why am I complaining about the Germans doing the same"? Surely it is pure hypocrisy for me to say such things.

Oh wait. It wasn't me who did it and it was a long time ago.

That's the most stupid, pathetic and childish response I've ever read

Well done

WW2 will always be relevant 

Lest we forget