News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[KRLMRX]

32 minutes ago, Stardust said:

No differences??!!

difference in details, uniformity in substance.

By the way, in the US, is it possible for two passers-by to attack a police officer and not be immediately shot dead?

[Fester]

3 hours ago, EdwardV said:

What does luck have to do with it? Putin made a calculated decision to invade Ukraine. It’s not like he spun a bottle on a table with names of countries to invade and it ended at Ukraine. On the other side it was Ukraine who asked for western help in fighting Russia. Again no luck involved. The entire event was pre planned by Putin. He has clearly had some bad luck but how Ukraine was chosen there was no luck involved. 

Never mind.

[Guest1]

10 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

difference in details, uniformity in substance.

By the way, in the US, is it possible for two passers-by to attack a police officer and not be immediately shot dead?

Na, from what I have seen and read, that is oniy possible in Germany, these days.

[1l1]

3 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

The western presses are telling us there is a war in the Ukraine...you are not told the this. We are being told that Russia is shelling civilian tenements blocks...you are not told this. We have been told that Russia has invaded Ukraine....you have not been told this.

You are so well informed about russian state media content. Worry for your psyche 

49 minutes ago, Alavan said:

If I see and hear the spokeswoman of the Russian gouvernment declare that Russia doesn't bomb Ukrainian cities (must be the Russian/alternative point of view) and in the same news see the dammage in Ukranian towns on civiel buildings and the theatre in Marioepol, then I think WTF???
If you see that, you can't accept any declaration from Russia as true.

Russian state spokepersons are the source of BS. No doubt.

Anyway about Mariupol' theatre:

- ukranian gov't says russians air-bombed it;

- russian gov't says ukranians bombed (demolished) it.

So it's all about "he said she said" with no material evidences so far.

Both sides are interested parties, so both will likely lie for their benefit.

There are no reasonable grounds to trust one party and distrust another.

How many western war correspondents are embedded to russian forces? None, all of them are embedded to ukranian army. How many russian war correspondents are embedded to ukraninan forces? None, everyone is embedded to russian army. 

Every source of information is not impartial in a wartime. 

[Marble-eye]

3 hours ago, 1l1 said:

You are so well informed about russian state media content. Worry for your psyche

I am sure you are well informed about Russian State Media too, so why you insist on repeating Putins Party line is totally beggars belief. "You are not a number, you are a free man" Break free from your authoritarian shackles and join the rest of us in the free world.

[Marble-eye]

6 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

Marble, I, too, can ignore the propaganda of the Russian media, like most Russians.

You are mistaken if you think that there is a significant difference between Putin, Biden and Macron - one system, one method, the same result.

The difference is that I am aware of it and you are not. So I suggest you stick your head out of the sand and face the truth.

The truth of the matter Karl is you can ignore the propaganda from the Russian Media because you have had (I believe) a good education and can converse in English very well indeed, but most Russians do not speak English and can only get their info from the state run TV, and I can only assume that they believe this drivel that the state is pumping out. But before the invasion Putins popularity rating was in the 70% now after the invasion it has dropped to 50%, so at least some reality news must be filtering through to the Russian citizens. Fair comment?

Whatever you think of "Putin, Biden and Macron" the truth of the matter is that only one of them has invaded Ukraine, only one of them is killing women and children and of course other innocent Ukrainians and only one of them is lying through his back teeth to save his own skin.

 

[Stardust]

8 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

difference in details, uniformity in substance.

By the way, in the US, is it possible for two passers-by to attack a police officer and not be immediately shot dead?

What an upper nonsense and rubbish. Interview is attacking police? Show a small piece of paper with the words no war?

Such sick comments are a mirror of the status of the minds of Putin supporters.

Europe will not forget the mass murdering of the civillians, babies, children and mothers.

It is very clear now for Europe and as they say:

You took the sword you will die by the sword!

You wanted war and made war you get war!

They will go for Putin and his supporters and they will get him dead or alive! And they will go for his supporters and this world wide. You supporting genocide and war, you will get the war!

[Stardust]

8 hours ago, 1l1 said:

You are so well informed about russian state media content. Worry for your psyche 

Russian state spokepersons are the source of BS. No doubt.

Anyway about Mariupol' theatre:

- ukranian gov't says russians air-bombed it;

- russian gov't says ukranians bombed (demolished) it.

So it's all about "he said she said" with no material evidences so far.

Both sides are interested parties, so both will likely lie for their benefit.

There are no reasonable grounds to trust one party and distrust another.

How many western war correspondents are embedded to russian forces? None, all of them are embedded to ukranian army. How many russian war correspondents are embedded to ukraninan forces? None, everyone is embedded to russian army. 

Every source of information is not impartial in a wartime. 

This really shows your knowledge level, your comment is really laughable. There is war in europe, all the european armies have their units at the borders inclusive anti aircraft systems. For example german jet fighters are 24 hours in the sky and stationed at the borders. Ukraine including the sky is 24 hours monitored. Every plane, every missille is monitored to protect Europe from anything what can come! You are really an Clown to think they not know who is doing what and in this situation not everything is monitired. You have zero knowledge about military in europe are anything about warfare. They monitored already before the invasion every movement from their mobile missile units in Russia. You knkw nothing about but you are making stupid comments like that or like a children would do that doesn't know what it means when the fast respond units are activated and what they do 24 hours. You can be assured they monitored every bomb or missile 24 hours and they know from where and from who. Sure the press will not have this information immiedetly but they have it before a missile hit or is in the sky. Thats their job!!! 

[Faz]

8 hours ago, 1l1 said:

Russian state spokepersons are the source of BS. No doubt.

Anyway about Mariupol' theatre:

- ukranian gov't says russians air-bombed it;

- russian gov't says ukranians bombed (demolished) it.

So it's all about "he said she said" with no material evidences so far.

Both sides are interested parties, so both will likely lie for their benefit.

There are no reasonable grounds to trust one party and distrust another.

Heavens above, that's a bit far fetched.
The Ukrainians blew up the theatre trapping hundreds of civilians inside to blame it on the Russians.

So has the Ukrainian government so far also claimed that Russians are in fact blowing up their own armour and troops killing one another.

[Stardust]

5 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

I am sure you are well informed about Russian State Media too, so why you insist on repeating Putins Party line is totally beggars belief. "You are not a number, you are a free man" Break free from your authoritarian shackles and join the rest of us in the free world.

They even made in big letters in front of the entrance ground in Russian language that there are children inside

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/index.html

 

[KaptainRob]

There's an unverifiable yet highly disturbing phone conversation on Reddit with translations from Russian to English which may provide insight into the barbaric attacks on Ukraine.  Click HERE but remember we have no way of judging the validity.

[Marble-eye]

16 minutes ago, Stardust said:

They even made in big letters in front of the entrance ground in Russian language that there are children inside

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/index.html

It has to be the height of desperation to stoop so low and make such allegations and expect people to believe it that the Ukraine is blowing up its own people.

But anything that shows Putin in a bad light is met with total derision from the Bolshy boys, why, well just maybe it helps them to to get over the embarrassment of the murderous treatment they are inflicting on an innocent country. Virtually the whole world is againgst the barbaric treatment being inflicted on Ukraine, but they look at it as everybody else is wrong and they're right.

[Marble-eye]

 

Boris Johnsons speech at the Tory conference in Blackpool. The west seems adamant that Putin will not win, for the sake of world peace let us hope so.

[KRLMRX]

8 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

The truth of the matter Karl is you can ignore the propaganda from the Russian Media because you have had (I believe) a good education and can converse in English very well indeed, but most Russians do not speak English and can only get their info from the state run TV, and I can only assume that they believe this drivel that the state is pumping out. But before the invasion Putins popularity rating was in the 70% now after the invasion it has dropped to 50%, so at least some reality news must be filtering through to the Russian citizens. Fair comment?

Whatever you think of "Putin, Biden and Macron" the truth of the matter is that only one of them has invaded Ukraine, only one of them is killing women and children and of course other innocent Ukrainians and only one of them is lying through his back teeth to save his own skin.

only the older generation receives information from state TV, but even they have access to social networks and instant messengers, which also contain opposition views.

The younger generation under 50 almost without exception takes information from instant messengers and social networks, they themselves choose the ideological orientation of these sources.

Where did you get the information about 50% of Putin's support? See how much depends on the source? According to Russian agencies, his rating even increased and is now over 70%

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-approval-rating-poll-latest-levada-russia-1687543

The truth is that all of them invade somewhere, the fact that Putin did it last does not justify him, but it does not make him any more bloodthirsty.

[KRLMRX]

5 hours ago, Stardust said:

What an upper nonsense and rubbish. Interview is attacking police? Show a small piece of paper with the words no war?

Such sick comments are a mirror of the status of the minds of Putin supporters.

Europe will not forget the mass murdering of the civillians, babies, children and mothers.

It is very clear now for Europe and as they say:

You took the sword you will die by the sword!

You wanted war and made war you get war!

They will go for Putin and his supporters and they will get him dead or alive! And they will go for his supporters and this world wide. You supporting genocide and war, you will get the war!

in your video, two civilians are attacking a policeman, beating him. you at least see for yourself what you post.

[KRLMRX]

4 hours ago, Stardust said:

They even made in big letters in front of the entrance ground in Russian language that there are children inside

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/index.html

the other side says that the Ukrainian battalion "Azov" (a unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine with the coat of arms of the Waffen SS) took up positions in this theater, knowing that civilians were hiding in the basement. And during the retreat he blew it up.

But CNN does not report such a version. I wonder why?

[KRLMRX]

4 hours ago, KaptainRob said:

There's an unverifiable yet highly disturbing phone conversation on Reddit with translations from Russian to English which may provide insight into the barbaric attacks on Ukraine.  Click HERE but remember we have no way of judging the validity.

Russian is my native language.  

one of the interlocutors has a childish voice, he is clearly under 18 years old.  Of course, this is possible in the media, but children do not serve in the Russian army.  

The verbal turns used by the interlocutors, as well as the page on which the conversation is posted (some slogans and patterns) suggests that most likely this is creativity for the Instagram of some teenagers.

[Guest1]

5 hours ago, Faz said:

The Ukrainians blew up the theatre trapping hundreds of civilians inside to blame it on the Russians.

With, oh wonder, no fatalities, because it is a bunker under it, that would be very useful propaganda, pro Ukraine, anti Russia.

Wouldn't it?

In my eyes the truth is dead since day one.

And will be defined, after war is over. By the winner. Like always.

Was there ever someone from the top  taken responsible, for "the reason" for the Irak War, mass destruction weapons in Saddams hands?

Fun part, the comment of Putin to that american war was "I (we) would find these weapons"

 

[Stardust]

45 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

the other side says that the Ukrainian battalion "Azov" (a unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine with the coat of arms of the Waffen SS) took up positions in this theater, knowing that civilians were hiding in the basement. And during the retreat he blew it up.

But CNN does not report such a version. I wonder why?

Very simple because its fake news. Everything what comes from Russia is fake information the whole world noticed it including the UN. You really wondering why nobody will take anything from a permanent liar like Putin or his fake news channels??!!

Only the brainwashed not realize that!

[Stardust]

32 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

Russian is my native language.  

one of the interlocutors has a childish voice, he is clearly under 18 years old.  Of course, this is possible in the media, but children do not serve in the Russian army.  

The verbal turns used by the interlocutors, as well as the page on which the conversation is posted (some slogans and patterns) suggests that most likely this is creativity for the Instagram of some teenagers.

You really forgot all eastern european countries understand Russian and former east germany!! Already verified there, too late!

[PBS]

49 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

NN does not report such a version. I wonder why?

Because the claim is unverified. In anycase the claim appears to be propaganda by Russian State controlled media e.g. Tass (link not provided as known misinformation site). IMO it is unfortunate, as a representative of the enemy, you are permitted to post by abusing the West's "Freedom of Speech"; especially unproven claims in breech of forum rules.

[Marble-eye]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

only the older generation receives information from state TV, but even they have access to social networks and instant messengers, which also contain opposition views.

The younger generation under 50 almost without exception takes information from instant messengers and social networks, they themselves choose the ideological orientation of these sources.

Where did you get the information about 50% of Putin's support? See how much depends on the source? According to Russian agencies, his rating even increased and is now over 70%

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-approval-rating-poll-latest-levada-russia-1687543

The truth is that all of them invade somewhere, the fact that Putin did it last does not justify him, but it does not make him any more bloodthirsty.

It is obvious to every man and his dog why Putins approval rating is so high, he is fooling the Russian citizens that this war is not a war but a rescue mission therefore making himself out to be a hero rather than actually what he is, a murderous megalomaniac.

If the Russian citizens actually knew the real reason surely they would hold Putin in a different light, or are you telling us all that the Russian people are ok with all this bombing and loss of life, if you are.... I don't believe it, the Ukrainians are the innocent party here.

 

Other recent polling suggests that many Russians view the war in Ukraine differently from those in the West. A poll conducted in Russia last week by a group of independent survey research organizations (who have remained anonymous in order to avoid backlash from the Kremlin), found that about 58 percent of Russians approve of the invasion of Ukraine, while 23 percent oppose it. 

"One reason Russians still support Putin and the war in Ukraine has to do with the propaganda and disinformation being sown by the Kremlin. Last week, Putin banned the spreading of “false information” about the war — including calling it a war. He also blocked Facebook and Twitter, as well as a number of Western news outlets including the BBC, making it even harder for Russians to get outside information. And among state-sponsored media in Russia, the war is downplayed and cast as a peacekeeping mission designed to liberate Ukraine from Nazis and drug-addled dictators."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-war-in-ukraine-might-change-putins-popularity-among-russians/

 

[Faz]

26 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

With, oh wonder, no fatalities, because it is a bunker under it, that would be very useful propaganda, pro Ukraine, anti Russia.

Wouldn't it?

Who stated there are no fatalities?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60772331

While the number of casualties is unclear, a local MP said the basement where people were gathered had withstood the bombing.

"It looks like most of them have survived," Dmytro Gurin told the BBC.

But Petro Andriushchenko, an adviser to the city's mayor, earlier said emergency workers were struggling to reach the building due to constant shelling.

Images of the theatre, verified by the BBC, showed extensive damage and smoke rising from the site.

Russia's air strikes and shells have previously hit a maternity hospital, a church and apartment buildings.

Mariupol's city council said in a statement that Russian forces "deliberately and cynically destroyed" the theatre, saying a "plane dropped a bomb on a building where hundreds of peaceful Mariupol residents were hiding".

 

 

[Guest1]

6 minutes ago, Faz said:

Who stated there are no fatalities?

Who stated there are fatalities?

Since no one ever stated any death toll numbers, till now, only "we don't know yet", but on the other hand calling every dead body everywhere: What might be the reason for that?

Or have you found ANY report about dead counts from this attack? I haven't, so far.

The truth is dead! And this will be the only truth in this war, till the end of it!

[Stardust]

2 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

Who stated there are fatalities?

Since no one ever stated any death toll numbers, till now, only "we don't know yet", but on the other hand calling every dead body everywhere: What might be the reason for that?

Or have you found ANY report about dead counts from this attack? I haven't, so far.

The truth is dead! And this will be the only truth in this war, till the end of it!

Omg , Ukraine is the most monitored area at the moment in europe. What do you think all the fast respond units from the Nato are doing 24 hours.