News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[Fester]

9 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

because civilians die in every war.

If you want to say that Putin deliberately kills as many civilians as possible, then this, fortunately, is not the case, otherwise we would see millions of victims in a country of 35 million, but this is not the case.

True. One of Putin's frustrations seems to be that he would like to deliberately kill many more than he is now. Such a shame. Not fair innit? 

[Fester]

9 hours ago, EdwardV said:

Yes and no. To the West, yes it's a proxy war. To Russia not so much. The West knows Ukraine isn't Russia's ultimate objective, it's within their own territory. Therefore it's in the West's interest to bleed out Russia's army in Ukraine rather than on the fields of the Baltic States or Poland. Luckily for the West, Russia is obliging.  

But not so luckily for Ukraine, eh?

[Fester]

8 hours ago, butterfly said:

I think Putin is rooting to send a nuke on Washington DC, and liberate the world from stupid Biden 

Not sure now who is more stupid, Joe or Vlad?

[Fester]

2 hours ago, Grant said:

Yes, Trump started a Facist movement in America and followed Putin for directions on how to stay in power !

Republicans fell for the Russian Propaganda and we must save Democracy by voting these dictatorship’s out !

After they take power you have no say!

No Vote!

Corruption is out of control and they get away with Murders???

save Democracy!!

Direct from Codswallop Castle. Rah rah rah!

[EdwardV]

23 minutes ago, Fester said:

But not so luckily for Ukraine, eh?

Granted but then that wasn’t the West’s choice. That was Putin’s. 

[vlad]

11 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

because civilians die in every war.

If you want to say that Putin deliberately kills as many civilians as possible, then this, fortunately, is not the case, otherwise we would see millions of victims in a country of 35 million, but this is not the case.

So it's ok to kill mothers with babies in a maternity hospital. 

[KRLMRX]

9 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

Oh Contraire, in the west we have a free press, nobody is saying it is perfect but if we don't believe their agenda we don't have to subscribe to it, in Russia you only have one voice coming out of all the media outlets, 'The Party Voice'. And here is the biggest difference of all, the Russians believe what they are told to believe, here in the west we are free to believe who we chose to believe, if anybody, you don't have that choice.

to live in captivity of illusions or face the truth - there is no easy choice, I agree.

[Fester]

1 hour ago, EdwardV said:

Granted but then that wasn’t the West’s choice. That was Putin’s. 

Er....

[KRLMRX]

6 hours ago, Stardust said:

Never read such nonsense and rubbish. Is this the history of Putin ordered. Even your history is all fake information. Tell this rubbish to any historian or in any university to be debunked as a clown. I guess you never was in a proper school with proper history lessons about the wars, kingdoms including the wars with Russia or alliances. Yes there were alliances sometimes on both sides but never on such laughable grounds you are claiming. I didn't kniw this Putin brainwash program goes so deeply and in all fields including history.

Niw you are claiming Karl Marx was a Russian and the Germans belonged to Russia.

Same claims like the Ukrainans are wanting belong to Russia

Is there anything from you that is not fake news or fake information???

 

Yes, Almighty Putin forced Emperor Nicholas to suppress bourgeois revolutions in Europe in the 19th century:

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/05/13/gendarme-of-europe/

and forced Marx to learn Russian:

https://pages.uoregon.edu/kimball/Nikolaevskii.RUS.kng.u.Marksa.htm

[Stardust]

1 minute ago, KRLMRX said:

Yes, Almighty Putin forced Emperor Nicholas to suppress bourgeois revolutions in Europe in the 19th century:

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/05/13/gendarme-of-europe/

and forced Marx to learn Russian:

https://pages.uoregon.edu/kimball/Nikolaevskii.RUS.kng.u.Marksa.htm

This you call sources? Yoi ever read any reliable sources from reliable historians or relieable universities, history lexikas??? 

Museums in Europe? Museum about Karl Marx in Germany?

Why there your fantasy history is not mentioned???

 

[Stardust]

4 minutes ago, Stardust said:

This you call sources? Yoi ever read any reliable sources from reliable historians or relieable universities, history lexikas??? 

Museums in Europe? Museum about Karl Marx in Germany?

Why there your fantasy history is not mentioned???

This is not anything reliable and they not even can write proper the german titles of some of his work and put phrases out from texts who has zero to do with Russia and claimed it was about Russia

Texts from Deutsche ideologie what everything is about Germany and about Arbeiterbewegung with Engels what was all about Berlin

And not even spelled right in german his phrases

This garbage are your sources???

[KRLMRX]

6 hours ago, Stardust said:

Here are the history of Karl Marx for small student beginners in Germany with dates and his studies and the countries he has been after his university in Bonn and Berlin, like France, London and Brussel. His studies from another countries than Germany was about France and England not Russia! 

He never been there for studies!!!

https://www.lernhelfer.de/schuelerlexikon/geschichte/artikel/karl-marx

Lexika for students in Germany!!!

You really stuffed with nonsense history of Europe and Russia and Karl Marx.

• Das Kapital Band I, II, III (unvollendet)
• Das Kommunistische Manifest
• Das Elend der Philosophie
• Deutsche Ideologie
• Die Feuerbachthesen
• Der achtzehnte Brumaire des Louis Bonaparte
• Randglossen zum Gothaer Programm

THis are all his studies, work and books

NOTHING ABOUT RUSSIA!!!

well, if novice students study only this, then Marx did not write anything else

https://understandingsociety.blogspot.com/2010/04/marx-on-russia.html?m=1

[Guest1]

On 3/7/2022 at 11:13 AM, Pinetree said:

Mass grouping provides an opportunity.  A couple of well placed tactical nukes and the war is over. 

It may start another one of course, but that may end up being the price we all have to pay to stop Putin's/Russia's  lunacy. The up side is it will also stop China in its expansionist  tracks and give the Korean fat boy with a bad haircut food for thought.  

And the following nuclear winter will save climate. Even the overpopulation will shrink, first from Russia to America plus even more when africa can't feed there people any longer. Good plan you have [/irony]

[Stardust]

1 minute ago, KRLMRX said:

well, if novice students study only this, then Marx did not write anything else

https://understandingsociety.blogspot.com/2010/04/marx-on-russia.html?m=1

I said reliable historians and some who even are able to read his texts. Your source not could even write german from his texts how they would be able to read German! And all was rubbish because nothing from his writing it is pure fiction! work was about Russia

All his life where he has been and work

https://www.lernhelfer.de/schuelerlexikon/geschichte/artikel/karl-marx

Here all his work and books ever published

 

• Das Kapital Band I, II, III (unvollendet)
• Das Kommunistische Manifest
• Das Elend der Philosophie
• Deutsche Ideologie
• Die Feuerbachthesen
• Der achtzehnte Brumaire des Louis Bonaparte
• Randglossen zum Gothaer Programm

Thats a historical fact and teched in all universties and history lessons

There is not any work or book about Russia and in his chronicles nothing about Russia

Countries he has been for studies and work

FRANCE PARIS

BELGIUM BRUSSEL

ENGLAND LONDON

go to his museum in Germany where he born and comes from and present your rewriting of history and version about Marx!!!

Go ahead!!

 

[KRLMRX]

5 hours ago, Smithydog said:

No. There is a difference. Russian Media has been blocked for continued spreading of violent misinformation from Putin who instigated a war.

If Russia is so keen for its narrative to be heard, why then block the western media? Why not hold live joint press conferences with both western media and Russian media so everyone can see and hear what Putin has to say. No, instead, they ban them in retaliation, block off all avenues for people to say anything, except internally and then say no-one is listening to our side of the story!

The problem with lying all the time is that eventually your own lies catch you out. The Russians are the only ones creating disbelief in their narrative through what they say, and stumble over in saying it, and through their clearly visible actions that show the real truth. They are their own worst enemies

Perhaps if they provided real proof of their statements rather than made up rhetoric with little association with truth, they would still be broadcasting. This seems to be a major issue for them. Too many statements of something and that proof will be provided at a later stage. The proof just never turns up and their statements, by their own actions, continue to ring hollow.

Putin annually holds live press conferences for thousands of journalists, and journalists from "free independent Western media" can ask him questions

Are there similar videos about at least one European or American leader?

[EdwardV]

47 minutes ago, Fester said:

Er....

Did he not order tanks and troops to attack Ukraine? 
 

unless you are prepared to tell me someone physically put a gun to his head…anything else it was his choice. 

[KRLMRX]

4 hours ago, Smithydog said:

Yes civilians die in war.

But Putin had choices. He could have chosen not to invade another country which would inflict civilian deaths. He has been through enough to know this happens in war. 

However, he chose to invade and the decision was made by him. Hence he bears the responsibility and wears the consequences of his choice, including the tragic deaths of any children or other civilians regardless of the number.

agree.  and this applies to all US presidents and most of today's European leaders - they make daily decisions that lead to the death of people.

[Marble-eye]

55 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

to live in captivity of illusions or face the truth - there is no easy choice, I agree.

Fine words butter no parsnips and the only truth here is that Putin is killing innocent civilians including women and children. 

These empty prams represent the lives of innocent young lives that have been killed on the orders of the megalomaniac murderer that is your leader Putin. Keep justifying his actions, I'm sure you will.

 

"109 empty baby prams were placed in a square in the centre of the Ukrainian city of Lviv, to mark each of the children slaughtered by Vladimir Putin's forces since the Russian invasion began.

The heartbreaking images show rows and rows of empty prams of various colours, set out in the Rynok square in the historic western Ukrainian city under blue skies."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/109-empty-prams-placed-square-26501989

 

[23RD]

OMG this topics meant to be about Ukraine updates ! !!!

And it moved to Karl Marx a scumbag .

Let's get back on topic to Ukraine its gone on for 3 weeks now and It's going to drive my eleckie bill up next month.

So let's get Hunter Biden (another scumbag) on Air Force One to Moscow to broker a peace deal with with his mates in Moscow and put end to  this incursion. 

Hunter can broker a deal (for a small fee).

He needs his wages from the Oligarchs and he needs to flogg a few more off his BLOW paintings to them.

And this time of year we Expats need cheap aircon.

[KRLMRX]

47 minutes ago, Stardust said:

This you call sources? Yoi ever read any reliable sources from reliable historians or relieable universities, history lexikas??? 

Museums in Europe? Museum about Karl Marx in Germany?

Why there your fantasy history is not mentioned???

these are historical facts, take a textbook on the history of the 19th century from school. If you do not find information there about the revolutionary situation in Europe and Russia's participation in this, then they are hiding something from you, demand an explanation

https://www.ohio.edu/chastain/rz/russia.htm

[Stardust]

1 minute ago, KRLMRX said:

these are historical facts, take a textbook on the history of the 19th century from school. If you do not find information there about the revolutionary situation in Europe and Russia's participation in this, then they are hiding something from you, demand an explanation

https://www.ohio.edu/chastain/rz/russia.htm

Go ahead to his museum and universities in Germany and demand explanations why they not use your source

And why they not asked Putin about the German history

[EdwardV]

13 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

agree.  and this applies to all US presidents and most of today's European leaders - they make daily decisions that lead to the death of people.

Did you really just equate everyday presidential decisions to deaths in war?   So the decision to on which person will fill an opening at the 9th district appeals court is equal to bombing a maternity hospital? 

[KRLMRX]

24 minutes ago, Stardust said:

I said reliable historians and some who even are able to read his texts. Your source not could even write german from his texts how they would be able to read German! And all was rubbish because nothing from his writing it is pure fiction! work was about Russia

All his life where he has been and work

https://www.lernhelfer.de/schuelerlexikon/geschichte/artikel/karl-marx

Here all his work and books ever published

• Das Kapital Band I, II, III (unvollendet)
• Das Kommunistische Manifest
• Das Elend der Philosophie
• Deutsche Ideologie
• Die Feuerbachthesen
• Der achtzehnte Brumaire des Louis Bonaparte
• Randglossen zum Gothaer Programm

Thats a historical fact and teched in all universties and history lessons

There is not any work or book about Russia and in his chronicles nothing about Russia

Countries he has been for studies and work

FRANCE PARIS

BELGIUM BRUSSEL

ENGLAND LONDON

go to his museum in Germany where he born and comes from and present your rewriting of history and version about Marx!!!

Go ahead!!

you are arguing with yourself.

I did not claim that he studied in Russia and wrote multi-page books about Russia.

but thinkers sometimes express their thoughts in newspaper articles, letters to other people. It is strange that this is a discovery for you.

I complete the topic, because offtopic.

[Stardust]

2 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

you are arguing with yourself.

I did not claim that he studied in Russia and wrote multi-page books about Russia.

but thinkers sometimes express their thoughts in newspaper articles, letters to other people. It is strange that this is a discovery for you.

I complete the topic, because offtopic.

Sure sure I am looking forward for the next thinker from Ccp China who claims all his work was about China and he learned han or mandarin Chinese

[KRLMRX]

36 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

Fine words butter no parsnips and the only truth here is that Putin is killing innocent civilians including women and children. 

These empty prams represent the lives of innocent young lives that have been killed on the orders of the megalomaniac murderer that is your leader Putin. Keep justifying his actions, I'm sure you will.

"109 empty baby prams were placed in a square in the centre of the Ukrainian city of Lviv, to mark each of the children slaughtered by Vladimir Putin's forces since the Russian invasion began.

The heartbreaking images show rows and rows of empty prams of various colours, set out in the Rynok square in the historic western Ukrainian city under blue skies."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/109-empty-prams-placed-square-26501989

Do these kids deserve more death?

In 2018 the UNICEF Ukraine reported on Twitter that over 140 children were killed or injured by mines during the war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_of_Angels