News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[KRLMRX]

9 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Not when they directly broadcast expert opinions from former NATO General Officers, Western Intelligence & Western Defence Institutes. They are source specialists. independent of each other, corroborate strongly each other and are without doubt the absolute experts on military matters. ALL have detailed factually why this Russian Invasion has so far failed nearly absolutely in every way.

Forget the middle - men ; Politicians,Journalists, Newspapers & Reporters in helmets & flak jackets ….

Forget also what any Russian Putin -lover says , all completely discredited Liars, who also aren’t competent at any level to fight a modern war against a western- supported/ trained / organized military like Ukraine (since 2014).

yes, only former NATO generals, intelligence officers and other specialists never lie and in no case are they on the payroll of the government. absolutely independent and impartial.

Amen.

[butterfly]

5 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

yes, only former NATO generals, intelligence officers and other specialists never lie and in no case are they on the payroll of the government. absolutely independent and impartial.

Amen.

oh wait, is that sarcasm? just trying to clarify for the anti-Putin crowd 

[KRLMRX]

9 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Marx analysis of Capitalism & Religion at the time was excellent. However his forced terror- based “ solution” was intended for advanced industrial nations like Germany and was always Absurd, Inhumane & Unworkable. And doubly so with Agricultural Russia.
 

He surely knew the real solution was Reform to Liberal Capitalism  but blinded by extreme hatred and envy of Capitalism, that wasn’t something he wanted to promote or could control. 

yes, he believed that the revolution would take place in one of the most industrialized countries. But ....

HE WAS WRONG. Because he, although a genius, is a man.

The bottom line is that you can't stop this wheel of history, it's just a matter of time and the sacrifices that have yet to be made on this altar of greed.

[butterfly]

29 minutes ago, vlad said:

KRLMRX why have Russian missiles been landing on Hospitals, apartment blocks, killing woman and Children and Targeting a Theatre ?? please explain this and are they legitimate targets ?? This is a simple question that needs a simple answer.

it's war, civilians are the first victims. Same as Iraq and Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Sudan etc...

That's why we need to do everything we can for a diplomatic solution. There is no good war.

Supporting and cheering for a war against Putin is just showing the true colors of those supporters, fools.

[KRLMRX]

8 hours ago, oldschooler said:

 There is no credible “alternative view” in the western accountable world.

any such published article would be rightly deemed propaganda and pulled apart with indisputable facts , point by point.

there ARE journalists & historians like Peter Hitchens who do argue that Russia was “provoked” and its “warnings” ignored. there are no such contrarians in Russia , outside of Prisons.

the largest and most dangerous “ fascists” in the world right now are clearly the evil oppressive terrorist govts. of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Syria.

absolutely the same is happening in Russia. in Russia there are also "crazy city" media - Novaya Gazeta, Dozhd, Meduza ... and from the same, patriots smash to smithereens with evidence.

what is the difference?

[KRLMRX]

2 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Having seen the universally catastrophic outcome of Communism that HE was indirectly responsible for, I  believe he would have rewritten his Manifesto   ….then killed himself from Remorse, Shame & Guilt!

BUT not even the brightest visionaries of his time and after were more than 5% correct about the future, including HG Wells …..not even AI being proposed to predict the Future, more variables than atoms in the Universe, like moves in the strategy game Go…

The French Commune lasted 72 days, the USSR - 74 years, it turns out that the next turn of this spiral will last 27,824 years.

[KRLMRX]

49 minutes ago, vlad said:

KRLMRX why have Russian missiles been landing on Hospitals, apartment blocks, killing woman and Children and Targeting a Theatre ?? please explain this and are they legitimate targets ?? This is a simple question that needs a simple answer.

because civilians die in every war.

If you want to say that Putin deliberately kills as many civilians as possible, then this, fortunately, is not the case, otherwise we would see millions of victims in a country of 35 million, but this is not the case.

[Thaidup]

Peace talks seem to be getting closer,

https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/russia-ukraine-war-vladimir-putin-accuses-ukraine-of-stalling-peace-talks-says-moscow-ready-for-solution

Im starting to think this is turning into a major proxy war, another one, again.

[EdwardV]

45 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

Peace talks seem to be getting closer,

https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/russia-ukraine-war-vladimir-putin-accuses-ukraine-of-stalling-peace-talks-says-moscow-ready-for-solution

Im starting to think this is turning into a major proxy war, another one, again.

Yes and no. To the West, yes it's a proxy war. To Russia not so much. The West knows Ukraine isn't Russia's ultimate objective, it's within their own territory. Therefore it's in the West's interest to bleed out Russia's army in Ukraine rather than on the fields of the Baltic States or Poland. Luckily for the West, Russia is obliging.  

[butterfly]

1 hour ago, Thaidup said:

Peace talks seem to be getting closer,

https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/russia-ukraine-war-vladimir-putin-accuses-ukraine-of-stalling-peace-talks-says-moscow-ready-for-solution

Im starting to think this is turning into a major proxy war, another one, again.

I think Putin is rooting to send a nuke on Washington DC, and liberate the world from stupid Biden 

[Thaidup]

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Edited March 18, 2022 by Thaidup
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[Marble-eye]

3 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

no difference. Western media publish what they see fit, not facts and different points of view. that is, opinions based on upbringing and the atmosphere in society, which are formed, among other things, on the basis of publications in the media. Vicious circle.

Oh Contraire, in the west we have a free press, nobody is saying it is perfect but if we don't believe their agenda we don't have to subscribe to it, in Russia you only have one voice coming out of all the media outlets, 'The Party Voice'. And here is the biggest difference of all, the Russians believe what they are told to believe, here in the west we are free to believe who we chose to believe, if anybody, you don't have that choice.

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

because civilians die in every war.

If you want to say that Putin deliberately kills as many civilians as possible, then this, fortunately, is not the case, otherwise we would see millions of victims in a country of 35 million, but this is not the case.

There are now over 100 children who are dead because of Czar Putins illegal invasion of the Ukraine.

Czar Putin has done nothing but lie repeatedly and those lies have been parroted by Russian media.

His army is performing very poorly. He is now in a position where he cannot win this war.

[Stardust]

6 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

it's a lie.

All this is in the Russian version.

Marx was born and brought up immediately after the victory over Napoleon, when Russia was the "gendarme of Europe", when "not a single gun in Europe could fire without the permission of the Russian Tsar." In the middle of the 19th century, the Russian Empire actively suppressed revolutionary processes throughout Europe. It is logical that Marx paid great attention to this.

In the last years of his life, after the reforms and development of industry in Russia, he began to study Russian, had a library of books in Russian.

And most importantly, you will be surprised, but Marx is also a man and he could make mistakes, he was not a saint, he was simply the first.

Never read such nonsense and rubbish. Is this the history of Putin ordered. Even your history is all fake information. Tell this rubbish to any historian or in any university to be debunked as a clown. I guess you never was in a proper school with proper history lessons about the wars, kingdoms including the wars with Russia or alliances. Yes there were alliances sometimes on both sides but never on such laughable grounds you are claiming. I didn't kniw this Putin brainwash program goes so deeply and in all fields including history.

Niw you are claiming Karl Marx was a Russian and the Germans belonged to Russia.

Same claims like the Ukrainans are wanting belong to Russia

Is there anything from you that is not fake news or fake information???

[Thaidup]

15 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Is there anything from you that is not fake news or fake information???

Have heard read and watched tv shows over the years, I don't completely understand it all, but this history of the bloodline kinda gets the point across.

 

How the British royal family is related to the Romanovs

https://www.rbth.com/history/333157-windsors-romanovs-relationship

 

[Stardust]

6 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

it's a lie.

All this is in the Russian version.

Marx was born and brought up immediately after the victory over Napoleon, when Russia was the "gendarme of Europe", when "not a single gun in Europe could fire without the permission of the Russian Tsar." In the middle of the 19th century, the Russian Empire actively suppressed revolutionary processes throughout Europe. It is logical that Marx paid great attention to this.

In the last years of his life, after the reforms and development of industry in Russia, he began to study Russian, had a library of books in Russian.

And most importantly, you will be surprised, but Marx is also a man and he could make mistakes, he was not a saint, he was simply the first.

Here are the history of Karl Marx for small student beginners in Germany with dates and his studies and the countries he has been after his university in Bonn and Berlin, like France, London and Brussel. His studies from another countries than Germany was about France and England not Russia! 

He never been there for studies!!!

https://www.lernhelfer.de/schuelerlexikon/geschichte/artikel/karl-marx

Lexika for students in Germany!!!

You really stuffed with nonsense history of Europe and Russia and Karl Marx.

 

• Das Kapital Band I, II, III (unvollendet)
• Das Kommunistische Manifest
• Das Elend der Philosophie
• Deutsche Ideologie
• Die Feuerbachthesen
• Der achtzehnte Brumaire des Louis Bonaparte
• Randglossen zum Gothaer Programm

THis are all his studies, work and books

NOTHING ABOUT RUSSIA!!!

 

[Stardust]

7 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

it's a lie.

All this is in the Russian version.

Marx was born and brought up immediately after the victory over Napoleon, when Russia was the "gendarme of Europe", when "not a single gun in Europe could fire without the permission of the Russian Tsar." In the middle of the 19th century, the Russian Empire actively suppressed revolutionary processes throughout Europe. It is logical that Marx paid great attention to this.

In the last years of his life, after the reforms and development of industry in Russia, he began to study Russian, had a library of books in Russian.

And most importantly, you will be surprised, but Marx is also a man and he could make mistakes, he was not a saint, he was simply the first.

MARX never made any study of Russia, never wrote anything in Russian language!!! All his books and work were in German language because he was a German, born there and living there and died in London. He was traveling to London for studies, been in Paris for work and Belgium!!!

All his books and work 

 

• Das Kapital Band I, II, III (unvollendet)
• Das Kommunistische Manifest
• Das Elend der Philosophie
• Deutsche Ideologie
• Die Feuerbachthesen
• Der achtzehnte Brumaire des Louis Bonaparte
• Randglossen zum Gothaer Programm

By the way there is museum from Karl Marx in Bonn and all about his life and zero about Russia there!! All about Marx in Russsia are Russian translations nothing else exist

Maybe you go the Museum or to Trier where he born and make a speech about the your version or russian version of Marx and german history to debunk yourself there as a Clown!!! 

 

[Stardust]

4 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

Oh Contraire, in the west we have a free press, nobody is saying it is perfect but if we don't believe their agenda we don't have to subscribe to it, in Russia you only have one voice coming out of all the media outlets, 'The Party Voice'. And here is the biggest difference of all, the Russians believe what they are told to believe, here in the west we are free to believe who we chose to believe, if anybody, you don't have that choice.

Yes these guys are deeply brainwashed and now even wanna rewrite the history of Karl Marx including the whole history of Europe. The grade of this brainwashing and fake history is unbelievable and I didn't it is on such high level. Even the history they teach is complete fake news and fake history like all the museums etc in Europe not existing at all. It is incredible that everything is fake news and information what comes from Putin Russia and reminds on the brainwashing in North Korea.

[Thaidup]

On 3/13/2022 at 7:27 PM, Rookiescot said:

Wagner Group - Wikipedia

That is a long read, Unfortunately for any neo-nazis that would like to join, this is the closest to anything nazi in the whole article, "some believe him to be a neo-Nazi" and The Economist reporting Utkin has several Nazi tatoos.

They are a nasty mercenary hit squad and that is certain, But "some believe" and "reporting" No photos of them proudly waving around nazi flags and the like so it looks like you are mixing up nasty with nazi.

(The Wagner Group itself was first active in 2014,^[1] along with Utkin, in the Luhansk region of Ukraine.^[43] The company's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner" after the German composer Richard Wagner, which he is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).^[47][48] As such, some believe him to be a neo-Nazi,^[49][50] with The Economist reporting Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.^[48] Radio Liberty cited insiders as saying that the leadership of the Wagner Group are followers of the Slavic Native Faith, a modern Pagan new religious movement.^[51] In August 2017, the Turkish newspaper Yeni Şafak speculated that Utkin was possibly a figurehead for the company, while the real head of Wagner was someone else.^[52]  

 

[Smithydog]

9 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

I have only one question: why are you, the free people of the civilized world, being blocked from an alternative point of view?

not for the same reasons?

No. There is a difference. Russian Media has been blocked for continued spreading of violent misinformation from Putin who instigated a war.

If Russia is so keen for its narrative to be heard, why then block the western media? Why not hold live joint press conferences with both western media and Russian media so everyone can see and hear what Putin has to say. No, instead, they ban them in retaliation, block off all avenues for people to say anything, except internally and then say no-one is listening to our side of the story!

The problem with lying all the time is that eventually your own lies catch you out. The Russians are the only ones creating disbelief in their narrative through what they say, and stumble over in saying it, and through their clearly visible actions that show the real truth. They are their own worst enemies

Perhaps if they provided real proof of their statements rather than made up rhetoric with little association with truth, they would still be broadcasting. This seems to be a major issue for them. Too many statements of something and that proof will be provided at a later stage. The proof just never turns up and their statements, by their own actions, continue to ring hollow.

 

Edited March 19, 2022 by Smithydog
Typo

[Stardust]

19 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

That is a long read, Unfortunately for any neo-nazis that would like to join, this is the closest to anything nazi in the whole article, "some believe him to be a neo-Nazi" and The Economist reporting Utkin has several Nazi tatoos.

They are a nasty mercenary hit squad and that is certain, But "some believe" and "reporting" No photos of them proudly waving around nazi flags and the like so it looks like you are mixing up nasty with nazi.

(The Wagner Group itself was first active in 2014,^[1] along with Utkin, in the Luhansk region of Ukraine.^[43] The company's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner" after the German composer Richard Wagner, which he is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).^[47][48] As such, some believe him to be a neo-Nazi,^[49][50] with The Economist reporting Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.^[48] Radio Liberty cited insiders as saying that the leadership of the Wagner Group are followers of the Slavic Native Faith, a modern Pagan new religious movement.^[51] In August 2017, the Turkish newspaper Yeni Şafak speculated that Utkin was possibly a figurehead for the company, while the real head of Wagner was someone else.^[52]  

For choosing this name he also want to create confusion. But sure also his neo nazi backround has a role in that.

[Rookiescot]

28 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

That is a long read, Unfortunately for any neo-nazis that would like to join, this is the closest to anything nazi in the whole article, "some believe him to be a neo-Nazi" and The Economist reporting Utkin has several Nazi tatoos.

They are a nasty mercenary hit squad and that is certain, But "some believe" and "reporting" No photos of them proudly waving around nazi flags and the like so it looks like you are mixing up nasty with nazi.

(The Wagner Group itself was first active in 2014,^[1] along with Utkin, in the Luhansk region of Ukraine.^[43] The company's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner" after the German composer Richard Wagner, which he is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).^[47][48] As such, some believe him to be a neo-Nazi,^[49][50] with The Economist reporting Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.^[48] Radio Liberty cited insiders as saying that the leadership of the Wagner Group are followers of the Slavic Native Faith, a modern Pagan new religious movement.^[51] In August 2017, the Turkish newspaper Yeni Şafak speculated that Utkin was possibly a figurehead for the company, while the real head of Wagner was someone else.^[52]  

You cannot possibly believe what you have just said. 

It is a fact that Czar Putins private mercenary army are in fact a bunch of nazis. End of.

[Grant]

Yes, Trump started a Facist movement in America and followed Putin for directions on how to stay in power !

Republicans fell for the Russian Propaganda and we must save Democracy by voting these dictatorship’s out !

After they take power you have no say!

No Vote!

Corruption is out of control and they get away with Murders???

save Democracy!!

[Smithydog]

7 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

because civilians die in every war.

If you want to say that Putin deliberately kills as many civilians as possible, then this, fortunately, is not the case, otherwise we would see millions of victims in a country of 35 million, but this is not the case.

Yes civilians die in war.

But Putin had choices. He could have chosen not to invade another country which would inflict civilian deaths. He has been through enough to know this happens in war. 

However, he chose to invade and the decision was made by him. Hence he bears the responsibility and wears the consequences of his choice, including the tragic deaths of any children or other civilians regardless of the number.

[Stardust]

1 hour ago, Thaidup said:

Have heard read and watched tv shows over the years, I don't completely understand it all, but this history of the bloodline kinda gets the point across.

How the British royal family is related to the Romanovs

https://www.rbth.com/history/333157-windsors-romanovs-relationship

Sure royal families in the past had marriages with other royal families from other european countries. But that doesn't chang the point I made that they (Putin and his supporter)even want to rewrite the history of europe even everything is documented, that makes it really laughable.

By the way it seems anonymous attacked the propaganda and fake news command of Putin