News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[KRLMRX]

12 hours ago, Smithydog said:

At least at the time, someone was allowed to speak. Now anyone wanting to offer any form of alternative message has to show a sign behind a nightly news report!

Where is the independence of the media in Russia now - gone.

Where is any alternative voice - arrested, as have protestors in street protests

Sounds really like a free voice and media....NOT!

You have forfeited a right to discuss independent media with your support of a purely state controlled media format projecting just what the Leader says. Nothing else. With that media supporting a leader, who has taken this world again into a war seemingly to satisfy his ego and manufacture non-existent threats about neo-nazism. His rule today shows far more of the characteristics of that than anyone else.

If he is so keen to be the arbitrator of such, perhaps President Putin should invade himself to rid the world of his own version of neo-nazism leadership.

the independence and pluralism of the Euro-Atlantic media is an illusion.

In Europe and the USA, as well as in Russia, in the top near-state media you will not see an alternative opinion about the events in Ukraine, only the position of the governments: Russia is evil or the West is evil.

The level of fascism all over the world is growing catastrophically and this is unlikely to end well.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

you are wrong, and that's okay.

almost all top media are biased, they broadcast the opinion of big business and its talking puppets in governments.

there is no difference between the NYT and the Independent, between the Republican and Labor parties. They can participate in a play called "political struggle" as long as you let them.

So who should we believe? Czar Putin?

The guy who said he was not going to invade the Ukraine and then invaded the Ukraine.

The guy who threatens people with 15 years in jail just for saying the word invasion.

I will give you that the western media is not as impartial as most of us would want it to be but Russian and Chinese media outlets are simply mouth pieces for the despots who control those countries. When they have not been they are simply closed down.

So the simple fact is the populations of the west are far better informed than those subjected to nothing but state propaganda. 

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

the independence and pluralism of the Euro-Atlantic media is an illusion.

In Europe and the USA, as well as in Russia, in the top near-state media you will not see an alternative opinion about the events in Ukraine, only the position of the governments: Russia is evil or the West is evil.

The level of fascism all over the world is growing catastrophically and this is unlikely to end well.

So are you able to read or post on facebook?

Ah ok.

Are you allowed to say the words "war" or "invasion" regarding the Ukraine?

Ah ok.

[KRLMRX]

47 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

get why you want to argue about the side points, since they are easier than the actual topic of Ukraine

 

54 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

From your source:

But the 19-member investigating team, commissioned last December to look into the causes of the five-day war, also found evidence that Russia had fomented tensions. "The Russian side, too, carries the blame for a substantial number of violations of international law," said Tagliavina. She said Moscow's actions included conferring Russian citizenship en masse to people living in South Ossetia and the other separatist region, Abhkazia. She said Russia had broken international law in that "the military action by the Russian Armed Forces on Georgian territory, (was) far beyond the needs of a proportionate defense of Russian Peace Keepers in Tskhinvali." Russia's later recognition of the independence of both rebel regions "must be considered as being not valid in the context of international law, and as violations of Georgia´s territorial integrity and sovereignty," she said. The investigators also found evidence that both sides had been involved in ethnic cleansing against Georgians and their villages and settlements in South Ossetia.

Isn't that my actual point? That Russia created a situation that allowed them the flimsy excuse to invade and occupy the area they wanted. I think you actually proved my point, thanks. 

How does that change anything I wrote? Russia invaded Crimea period. The fact it broke the Budapest Memorandum is just icing on the cake. 

Neither of those things change what I wrote. I highly doubt being Putin's friend holds much water when time comes for a change. Just as it makes all the difference in the world when it comes to picking a replacement. Again you are proving my point. As for the last, agree or disagree Russia didn't care as long as they got to place troops. 

I get why you want to argue about the side points, since they are easier than the actual topic of Ukraine. Interestingly it's being reported that Russia is calling up reinforcements from across the country. A sure sign of things going badly: 

Russia is gathering reinforcements from across the country as it is facing “personnel losses” in the Ukrainian war, UK defence ministry’s latest public intelligence assessment report said. The report, released on Tuesday, stated that Vladimir Putin is “increasingly seeking to generate additional troops to bolster and replace its personnel losses in Ukraine,” The UK ministry said Russia was redeploying forces from as far away as "its Eastern Military District, Pacific Fleet and Armenia" and was increasingly tapping other sources of fighters such as "private military companies, Syrians, and other mercenaries." “Russia is increasingly seeking to generate additional troops to bolster and replace its personnel losses. It is likely that Russia is struggling to conduct offensive operations in the face of sustained Ukrainian resistance,” the assessment said.

‘Struggling’ Russia deploying more reinforcements from across country into Ukraine: UK intel (msn.com)

in general, it was you who started writing about Georgia and Kazakhstan, I answered.

Russia could provoke, but you claimed that Russia started the war, and EU officials do not agree with you.

You claimed that Putin changed the president in Kazakhstan, but this is not so, Nazarbayev himself did it.

I'm closing the topic, because offtopic

Well, everything is bad with Putin, Ukraine will win soon, ok

[KRLMRX]

11 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So who should we believe? 

believe him, so far, everything he wrote turned out to be true.

[KRLMRX]

25 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So are you able to read or post on facebook?

Ah ok.

Are you allowed to say the words "war" or "invasion" regarding the Ukraine?

Ah ok.

Yes, I can (but I don't want to), because modern digital technologies allow you to bypass any blocking.

Can you watch RT on cable TV and Russian state channels on YouTube?

Or can you report war crimes to the US Army in Iraq Afghanistan and stuff and the government in Guantanamo and not get a life sentence without trial with the prospect of dying before any trial?

[Alavan]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

you broadcast the mainstream from near-state media in Europe and the USA. I recommend that you use alternative sources of information.

Even EU wooden officials had to admit that Georgia started this war.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20090930-georgia-war-russia-eu-south-ossetia-tskhinvali-putin-military

Crimea. First, there were mass protests against the Ukrainian neo-Nazis who seized power in Kyiv, and only then Russian troops entered.

https://youtu.be/cxoEq31RjLM

Kazakhstan: I repeat, instead of Nazarbayev, his prime minister, his colleague and friend, became president, he, like Nazarbayev, was an ally of Putin.

Nagorno-Karabakh: I repeat, both sides agreed to the presence of Russian peacekeepers there, Armenia and Azerbaijan (an ally of Turkey, not Russia).

Sorry, but you are brainwashed with your neo nazis in power in Kiev.

You continue blabbering about a massive neonazi majority, while at the most there are less than 2000 of those, probably less than in Russia. But of course, your fuhrer Putin says they are neonazis.

[EdwardV]

11 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

Well, everything is bad with Putin, Ukraine will win soon, ok

I didn't say that, just that things are not going well. Fact is Russia still vastly outnumbers Ukraine in just about every category except courage. Most analysts still predict Russia will eventually occupy Ukraine, just as they predict Russia won't ultimately be able to pacify and control Ukraine. The next 10 days to 2 weeks are critical. If Russia can surround Kyiv and cut off the eastern Ukrainian army, the war part of the campaign should be over in a few months. Of course it then goes into an insurgency which is bad news for Russia. If however Russia can't encircle Kyiv and the eastern Army holds or even just escapes, Ukraine will eventually win. 

Either way, it's a win for the West. A Ukrainian insurgency will bleed out the Russian army, a Ukrainian win does the same thing just faster. 

Who would have thought in just two weeks Putin has solidified the west behind the US, reinvigorated NATO, vastly increase Western defense spending, made a world pariah out of Russia, and destroyed the Russian economy for at least 20-30 years. It's almost like he was a CIA deep cover spy.   

[Alavan]

30 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

believe him, so far, everything he wrote turned out to be true.

Problem is, what Karl Marx wrote was "adapted" by the Russians and not like Marx meant it.
Russia, where there were still serves in the 19th century.

[KRLMRX]

31 minutes ago, Alavan said:

Sorry, but you are brainwashed with your neo nazis in power in Kiev.

You continue blabbering about a massive neonazi majority, while at the most there are less than 2000 of those, probably less than in Russia. But of course, your fuhrer Putin says they are neonazis.

at first there were only 2 people i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶l̶u̶b̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶a̶n̶o̶n̶y̶m̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶a̶l̶c̶o̶h̶o̶l̶i̶c̶s̶ in the NSDAP. The main thing is that these 2000 rule this country.

[KRLMRX]

45 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

I didn't say that, just that things are not going well. Fact is Russia still vastly outnumbers Ukraine in just about every category except courage. Most analysts still predict Russia will eventually occupy Ukraine, just as they predict Russia won't ultimately be able to pacify and control Ukraine. The next 10 days to 2 weeks are critical. If Russia can surround Kyiv and cut off the eastern Ukrainian army, the war part of the campaign should be over in a few months. Of course it then goes into an insurgency which is bad news for Russia. If however Russia can't encircle Kyiv and the eastern Army holds or even just escapes, Ukraine will eventually win. 

Either way, it's a win for the West. A Ukrainian insurgency will bleed out the Russian army, a Ukrainian win does the same thing just faster. 

Who would have thought in just two weeks Putin has solidified the west behind the US, reinvigorated NATO, vastly increase Western defense spending, made a world pariah out of Russia, and destroyed the Russian economy for at least 20-30 years. It's almost like he was a CIA deep cover spy.   

the eastern grouping of Ukrainian troops will undoubtedly be surrounded, as it was already in 2014.

There will be no serious insurgency, because Russia is likely to gain a foothold in the territories with a pro-Russian (or at least neutral to the neo-Nazi agenda of modern Ukraine) population - East and South of Ukraine, and in case of attempts to attack, it will simply destroy them on distant approaches .

[KRLMRX]

49 minutes ago, Alavan said:

Problem is, what Karl Marx wrote was "adapted" by the Russians and not like Marx meant it.
Russia, where there were still serves in the 19th century.

since you know exactly what he meant, do it.

[EdwardV]

3 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

There will be no serious insurgency, because Russia is likely to gain a foothold in the territories with a pro-Russian (or at least neutral to the neo-Nazi agenda of modern Ukraine) population - East and South of Ukraine, and in case of attempts to attack, it will simply destroy them on distant approaches

How's that been working so far? Obviously not very well. Pretty sure there isn't much of a "pro-Russian" population left in Ukraine outside of the two break away areas. Comes with indiscriminately killing the civilian population. You reap what you sow.  

Don't worry Ukraine has been prepping an insurgency pretty much since 2014. They will be well supplied too. The US just authorized another $800 in military weapons for Ukraine:

 

The U.S. will send 100 Switchblade drones to Ukraine as part of the Biden administration’s new $800 million weapons package, Texas Rep. Mike McCaul, the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told POLITICO. The inclusion of the “tactical” drones, which crash into their targets, represents a new phase of weaponry being sent to Ukraine by the U.S., which so far has shipped mostly anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons. An administration official confirmed McCaul’s account that the U.S. is sending the Switchblade ...  McCaul also said that the U.S. was “working with allies” to send more S-300 surface-to-air missile systems to Ukraine. The country has had the S-300 for years, so troops should require little-to-no training on how to operate the Soviet-era anti-aircraft equipment. CNN reported that Slovakia had preliminarily agreed to transfer their S-300s to Ukraine. The revelations come shortly after President Joe Biden announced the new $800 million in military assistance to Ukraine, which also includes 800 more Stinger anti-aircraft systems, 2,000 anti-armor Javelins, 1,000 light anti-armor weapons and 6,000 AT-4 anti-armor systems. The AT-4 is a lightweight recoilless rifle already used by American special operations forces.

U.S. sending Switchblade drones to Ukraine in $800 million package (msn.com)

 

 

 

[Tim_Melb]

17 hours ago, Stardust said:

As a Ukraine soldier said rightly we can be lucky they are that kind of stupid

Maybe you checking the capacities of Nato units in Europe compare to Russia

Maybe checking equipments and compare or checking best tanks, aircrafts etc always western countries in the top rankings and not any Russian military tech

Your knowledge level about military/ armies is zero especially about Nato. Nato/ european military is founded on defences on any nuclear threat.s and developped on that since the beginning. Shields are developped since then and now even doubled around the borders. It means a one way system all russian nukes will explode over Russia and their non existing shields will let through all answer to any Russian threats. And all who are involved are daily wondering what kind of amateurs they are, sure everybody knew already before Russias military and economy is in a very bad shape. But to see them in action and seeing they even cannot organize convoys leaving  ammuntion trucks between other trucks in unshield positions and many other failures shows their army are amateurs no combat experiences just can fight against unarmed civillians but not against any army. And as I see in your comments that you never served or have any knowledge about Nato or any military they can be lucky how stupid they are including all Putin supporters

By the way professionals are talking about logistics and moral of the troops.

By the way even private companies watching the reality over satellites 

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-15-22/index.html

Oh by the way 2 month left till 

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/russia-faces-it-crisis-with-just-two-months-of-data-storage-left/

Pure fantasy most of NATO's defensive systems are grossly out of date where as Russia's nuclear launch systems have been consistently updated and continue to be. The munitions being used by Russia in the Ukraine so far has all been older types which is a sensible strategic policy, you only use the level of technology required for the mission as older munitions are less expensive and using them allows you to keep your more effect and expensive technology for future use when it is required. 

There is no shield technology in Europe that can defend against the latest hypersonic nuclear armed cruise missiles. I doubt that the US has any shield tech that can defend against them. That is the reason why Russia and China have invested so much in developing the technology. The US does not have the technology and is currently spending a fortune trying to catch up. 

You really need to stop believing all the Ukranian and NATO propaganda. You have totally swallowed the kool aid. As for your suggestion that the shield systems could block warheads dropping in from orbit after a Russian ICBM launch even the very best US based systems have been estimated as only achieving a 30% success rate, that means that over two thirds of the warheads will reach their targets and detonate. That is in continental United States, those systems are NOT in Europe the systems in France and Germany are much older technology and are less efficient (I'm not even sure the French system is even functional) the rest of Europe has nothing other than US anti missile defence systems that are not designed to combat ICBM's releasing multiple warheads from high altitude and they don't have the capability of striking hypersonic missiles. A demonstration of the effectiveness or lack of effectiveness is the use of these systems by Israel to block missiles launched at them by Palestinians where 10%+ of the cheap low tech missiles fired at Israel get past the shield systems and impact targets. 

[Rookiescot]

7 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

Yes, I can (but I don't want to), because modern digital technologies allow you to bypass any blocking.

Can you watch RT on cable TV and Russian state channels on YouTube?

Or can you report war crimes to the US Army in Iraq Afghanistan and stuff and the government in Guantanamo and not get a life sentence without trial with the prospect of dying before any trial?

I dont know if I can watch RT or the Russian state channels. Why would I even try to watch pure propaganda? 

It is my understanding though that neither of the "news" sources even mention the war going on around Kyiv. Instead they focus on what they portrait as a small scale "special military operation" in the regions of Donbas and Donetsk.

 

[Stardust]

2 hours ago, Tim_Melb said:

Pure fantasy most of NATO's defensive systems are grossly out of date where as Russia's nuclear launch systems have been consistently updated and continue to be. The munitions being used by Russia in the Ukraine so far has all been older types which is a sensible strategic policy, you only use the level of technology required for the mission as older munitions are less expensive and using them allows you to keep your more effect and expensive technology for future use when it is required. 

There is no shield technology in Europe that can defend against the latest hypersonic nuclear armed cruise missiles. I doubt that the US has any shield tech that can defend against them. That is the reason why Russia and China have invested so much in developing the technology. The US does not have the technology and is currently spending a fortune trying to catch up. 

You really need to stop believing all the Ukranian and NATO propaganda. You have totally swallowed the kool aid. As for your suggestion that the shield systems could block warheads dropping in from orbit after a Russian ICBM launch even the very best US based systems have been estimated as only achieving a 30% success rate, that means that over two thirds of the warheads will reach their targets and detonate. That is in continental United States, those systems are NOT in Europe the systems in France and Germany are much older technology and are less efficient (I'm not even sure the French system is even functional) the rest of Europe has nothing other than US anti missile defence systems that are not designed to combat ICBM's releasing multiple warheads from high altitude and they don't have the capability of striking hypersonic missiles. A demonstration of the effectiveness or lack of effectiveness is the use of these systems by Israel to block missiles launched at them by Palestinians where 10%+ of the cheap low tech missiles fired at Israel get past the shield systems and impact targets. 

You just show me you know nothing about Nato in Europe or for example all the Armies in Germany and their history, especially you know nothing about the history of shield tech in Europe that started with the sdi in the 80s and all has nothing ti do what you are writing. No knowledge about Army equipments and shield tech!. You even doesn't know that in Germany they used shared tech, too and thats why you see now for example the German Army in slowakia at the Ukrainian border with the Patriot system. I not need any propaganda like you because I served in Europe!

[Stardust]

5 minutes ago, Stardust said:

You just show me you know nothing about Nato in Europe or for example all the Armies in Germany and their history, especially you know nothing about the history of shield tech in Europe that started with the sdi in the 80s and all has nothing ti do what you are writing. No knowledge about Army equipments and shield tech!. You even doesn't know that in Germany they used shared tech, too and thats why you see now for example the German Army in slowakia at the Ukrainian border with the Patriot system. I not need any propaganda like you because I served in Europe!

And for sure there will be no details out to any media, in fields with security or strategy concerns, but they developped it since the 80s (also called in the beginning star wars program and sdi).

[Stardust]

5 hours ago, Tim_Melb said:

Pure fantasy most of NATO's defensive systems are grossly out of date where as Russia's nuclear launch systems have been consistently updated and continue to be. The munitions being used by Russia in the Ukraine so far has all been older types which is a sensible strategic policy, you only use the level of technology required for the mission as older munitions are less expensive and using them allows you to keep your more effect and expensive technology for future use when it is required. 

There is no shield technology in Europe that can defend against the latest hypersonic nuclear armed cruise missiles. I doubt that the US has any shield tech that can defend against them. That is the reason why Russia and China have invested so much in developing the technology. The US does not have the technology and is currently spending a fortune trying to catch up. 

You really need to stop believing all the Ukranian and NATO propaganda. You have totally swallowed the kool aid. As for your suggestion that the shield systems could block warheads dropping in from orbit after a Russian ICBM launch even the very best US based systems have been estimated as only achieving a 30% success rate, that means that over two thirds of the warheads will reach their targets and detonate. That is in continental United States, those systems are NOT in Europe the systems in France and Germany are much older technology and are less efficient (I'm not even sure the French system is even functional) the rest of Europe has nothing other than US anti missile defence systems that are not designed to combat ICBM's releasing multiple warheads from high altitude and they don't have the capability of striking hypersonic missiles. A demonstration of the effectiveness or lack of effectiveness is the use of these systems by Israel to block missiles launched at them by Palestinians where 10%+ of the cheap low tech missiles fired at Israel get past the shield systems and impact targets. 

You really know nothing about Nato, especially nithing about europe and no knowledge at all of shields or anything about armies and shields in Europe. All what you know is your fake news from this Putin clowns news. Why do you think since decades their were concerns from Russia because they developped it since the 80s and why Russia needed to develop other missiles? Sure if you only read propaganda Putin and Xi news you are living in a paralell universe but you know nothing about any realities of planet earth. And I guess you missed all the tensions about it

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/24/russia-targets-us-missile-shield

Since decades

Sure they will give no details for the clowns

You are the one who nothing about europe and definetly never served this is clear and without doubt for everyone who reads your fantasy comments!

I could fill up with links from the past decades and you even not understand the difference between for example mobile systems like patriot etc. 

[Smithydog]

12 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

you are wrong, and that's okay.

almost all top media are biased, they broadcast the opinion of big business and its talking puppets in governments.

there is no difference between the NYT and the Independent, between the Republican and Labor parties. They can participate in a play called "political struggle" as long as you let them.

So in your own words, Russian top media would likely be biased. 

[Poolie]

All media is biased. Without exception.

[Marble-eye]

2 minutes ago, Poolie said:

All media is biased. Without exception.

There is a subtle difference though, the Russian media has to print or say what Putin tells them to, whereas the Western media's can print or say what they see fit without fear or being locked up for 10 - 20 years.

[Rookiescot]

17 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

believe him, so far, everything he wrote turned out to be true.

Had a quick scan of it but really cant see the bit where invading the Ukraine is mentioned.

[KRLMRX]

12 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

I dont know if I can watch RT or the Russian state channels. Why would I even try to watch pure propaganda? 

It is my understanding though that neither of the "news" sources even mention the war going on around Kyiv. Instead they focus on what they portrait as a small scale "special military operation" in the regions of Donbas and Donetsk.

so I don’t need to watch pure Facebook propaganda. This is the normal behavior of a free person.

The main thing is that both sides are engaged in blocking and restrictions, but you blame only one side.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/youtube-blocks-russian-state-funded-media

[KRLMRX]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Had a quick scan of it but really cant see the bit where invading the Ukraine is mentioned.

funny. but it describes the causes of all wars on the planet.

[Rookiescot]

36 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

funny. but it describes the causes of all wars on the planet.

But surely Czar Putin has read this book and would never engage in such a capitalist move as attacking a neighbor?