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Thought this article from the Irish Times about hats was quite interesting. 

Cockneys-Londoners born within the sound of Bow bells, call them Titfers.

 Anyone know why that should be...?

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"What do Matt Damon, Patrick Dempsey, Britney Spears, Brad Pitt, Brian O’Driscoll and Amy Huberman, and the late Jack Charlton have in common? They are counted among the many well-known fans of Hanna Hats in Donegal, the famous Irish headwear company whose long heritage of artisan craftsmanship dates back nearly a century to 1924, when it was founded by David Hanna."

 

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https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/fashion/the-irish-hats-loved-by-brad-pitt-matt-damon-and-britney-spears-1.4791906

 

What do you think, John? Do you wear one, whilst strolling down Grafton Street?

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You'd have been better off asking me about the "Titfers", as I was born within the sound of Bow Bells: Rhyming slang: "Tit for tat" = Hat. Just to educate those who are unaware, with Cockney rhyming slang, where possible, you only mention the first part of the phrase, and not the actual rhyming word. That's how you differentiate a real cockney from from someone copying the "dialect. Examples are "Gypsy" instead of "Gypsy Kiss". "J. Arthur" instead of "J. Arthur Rank". "Berk" is one where most people are unaware, that the full phrase is "Berkeley Hunt"

I'm not a hat wearer, so I can't help with the rest of your question.

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The slang for flat cap was interesting, so thanks @JohninDublin for the explanation. I'd never heard it before.
Coming from the Midlands I thought everyone just called it a 'flat cap'. Or are there other slang words for it?

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In Boston we call it a Scally Cap

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Scally Cap and Boston

While the flat cap (or the Ivy, or the Paddy) made its way into the closets of the upper class, nobles, and Ivy League school goers throughout its history, hard-working Bostonians continued to wear the scally cap as always. In fact, "scally" was coined from the UK subculture of working-class boys. In short, the scally cap is and has always been proudly worn by hard-working Americans, and it's a defining aspect of our Boston blue-collar culture. We've taken the scally cap as our own, and we're proud to be part of a long history that started with the Irish and Englishmen of the 1500s to the hard working class of the 21st century.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Extremely popular when I was youniger and I 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I've changed the title so we can 'talk' about other types of cranial coverings .

For instance, The Deerstalker, worn by Sherlock Holmes.

I think @Bluesofa would look rather spiffing in one of these.

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4 hours ago, Faraday said:

Thought this article from the Irish Times about hats was quite interesting. 

Cockneys-Londoners born within the sound of Bow bells, call them Titfers.

 Anyone know why that should be...?

Here's a paragraph from the article:

"What do Matt Damon, Patrick Dempsey, Britney Spears, Brad Pitt, Brian O’Driscoll and Amy Huberman, and the late Jack Charlton have in common? They are counted among the many well-known fans of Hanna Hats in Donegal, the famous Irish headwear company whose long heritage of artisan craftsmanship dates back nearly a century to 1924, when it was founded by David Hanna."

 

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https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/fashion/the-irish-hats-loved-by-brad-pitt-matt-damon-and-britney-spears-1.4791906

What do you think, John? Do you wear one, whilst strolling down Grafton Street?

@JohninDublin

Titfer= tit for tat= hat, cockney slang, I am half cockney.....😝

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29 minutes ago, Faraday said:

I've changed the title so we can 'talk' about other types of cranial coverings .

For instance, The Deerstalker, worn by Sherlock Holmes.

I think @Bluesofa would look rather spiffing in one of these.

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I've never owned a deerstalker, but I did buy a trilby once at a village fair.

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4 minutes ago, Faraday said:
10 minutes ago, Bluesofa said:

I've never owned a deerstalker, but I did buy a trilby once at a village fair.

Was that in Scarborough?

That was an unfair comment.
No, it was a village in Northamptonshire.
I can't remember the name of the village, but it was to raise money to repair the church bells. I was in my twenties at the time, so a trilby wasn't the type of hat you'd expect someone of that age to be wearing.

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11 minutes ago, Faraday said:

All those in favour of Trans posting a picture of him wearing the hat, say: Aye 

Aye aye.
I'm voting twice, I really want to see it.

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32 minutes ago, Dedinbed said:

Aye .. 

What did bra say to hat ?

You go on a head and I'll give these pair a lift .. 

It used to be said if you want to get ahead, get a hat.

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1 minute ago, Bluesofa said:

It used to be said if you want to get ahead, get a hat.

It wasn't that long ago that blokes never left the house without a hat....

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6 hours ago, Bluesofa said:

The slang for flat cap was interesting, so thanks @JohninDublin for the explanation. I'd never heard it before.
Coming from the Midlands I thought everyone just called it a 'flat cap'. Or are there other slang words for it?

I think you might have misunderstood me. "Titfer" is rhyming slang for all hats. 

Regardless, your appreciation is noted.

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5 hours ago, Marc26 said:

In Boston we call it a Scally Cap

The Scally Cap and Boston

While the flat cap (or the Ivy, or the Paddy) made its way into the closets of the upper class, nobles, and Ivy League school goers throughout its history, hard-working Bostonians continued to wear the scally cap as always. In fact, "scally" was coined from the UK subculture of working-class boys. In short, the scally cap is and has always been proudly worn by hard-working Americans, and it's a defining aspect of our Boston blue-collar culture. We've taken the scally cap as our own, and we're proud to be part of a long history that started with the Irish and Englishmen of the 1500s to the hard working class of the 21st century.

Extremely popular when I was youniger and I 

Just a guess on my part, but I think "scally" might have it's origins in "Scallywag", "a person, typically a child, who behaves badly but in an amusingly mischievous rather than harmful way; a rascal." The term Scally is in common usage today in Liverpool. However, crime in Liverpool has become so ingrained, that nowadays, everyone is a "scally" unless they are a rapist, murderer, mugger, or major drug dealer. 

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