Explosions In Ukraine.....

[oldschooler]

  On 2/22/2022 at 5:19 AM, oldschooler said:

Your grasp on history, and reality, is fairly non- existent, like all uneducated tyrant- loving puppets.but do stay here for our continued amusement at your “pennywise the evil clown” act.

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You are not a regular expat person are you “butterfly” ? regular cyber spy type perhaps? series of linked servers ? kremlin sleeper agent tasked with subverting this forum perhaps?  spewing obvious nasty kremlin propaganda. using translation machines ? confusing “ balkans” with  “ baltics” and WW1 start with WW2. Give it up. Found out and exposed already with no credibility here

[Rookiescot]

  On 2/22/2022 at 8:29 AM, butterfly said:

he is not invading it, he is protecting an independent region of Ukraine, and stopping Ukraine to become too big a dictatorship, because that's where Ukraine is leading to. Ukraine is NOT a democracy.

Western leaders think they can "transform" Ukraine once it join NATO and probably the EU eventually. We tried that before, and how we failed.

It makes no sense at this stage for NATO or the EU to integrate countries like Ukraine. What's next Saudi Arabia? where does this NATO megalomaniac "expansion" ends.

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Seriously? Ukraine is too big a dictatorship compared to where? Putins Russia perhaps? Is Russia a democracy? No its not. Ukraine is far more democratic than Russia is.

Putin has amassed troops on another countries borders. Thats not the actions of someone interested in democracy. Thats a clown who wants to conquer. Same as Hitler in 1939. Thats what Putin has become.

[oldschooler]

  On 2/21/2022 at 2:36 PM, Fluke said:

Didnt Ukraine state it wants to join NATO and that would mean other NATO Countries defending Ukraine's borders ?

   And they would do that by putting missiles on its borders 

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Yeah and I WANT  to join the NASA Astronaut training scheme. Big difference to actually joining. Ukraine or Georgia will never qualify for NATO.

[JohninDublin]

  On 2/22/2022 at 10:06 AM, oldschooler said:

You are not a regular expat person are you “butterfly” ? regular cyber spy type perhaps? series of linked servers ? kremlin sleeper agent tasked with subverting this forum perhaps?  spewing obvious nasty kremlin propaganda. using translation machines ? confusing “ balkans” with  “ baltics” and WW1 start with WW2. Give it up. Found out and exposed already with no credibility here

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Definitely a bot. I thought maybe a troll initially, but I've seen Bot's on other forums and he gives off that vibe.

[Fluke]

  On 2/22/2022 at 2:22 PM, oldschooler said:

Yeah and I WANT  to join the NASA Astronaut training scheme. Big difference to actually joining. Ukraine or Georgia will never qualify for NATO.

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Arent Ukraine currently partial members of NATO and are getting more privileges and thats whats causing problems with Russia ?

[butterfly]

  On 2/22/2022 at 4:06 PM, JohninDublin said:

Definitely a bot. I thought maybe a troll initially, but I've seen Bot's on other forums and he gives off that vibe.

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you guys are too funny

[butterfly]

  On 2/22/2022 at 9:53 AM, oldschooler said:

Relax trollbot, NATO will never admit Ukraine. Many practical reasons. 

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I assume you have privileged access to NATO membership plans for the next 15 years

[butterfly]

  On 2/22/2022 at 10:06 AM, oldschooler said:

kremlin sleeper agent tasked with subverting this forum perhaps?

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right because this forum is so significant for the Kremlin

dude, you have to accept that some of us can have a different independent opinion than yours, using logic and history to justify our arguments, rather than using self-righteous and empty outrage about a situation that is more complex that you make it to be. 

Glad, that my master, Vlad, had followed my advice and went ahead with the 'incursion' to save Ukraine from harming itself 

[butterfly]

  On 2/22/2022 at 4:49 PM, Fluke said:

Arent Ukraine currently partial members of NATO and are getting more privileges and thats whats causing problems with Russia ?

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indeed, but let's not have facts expose the anti-Putin crowd intellectual dishonesty and bias  

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[butterfly]

  On 2/22/2022 at 2:17 PM, Rookiescot said:

Seriously? Ukraine is too big a dictatorship compared to where? Putins Russia perhaps? Is Russia a democracy? No its not. Ukraine is far more democratic than Russia is.

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and Russia is far more Democratic than China or NK. That's not an argument to start a war, or sanctions.

It's all western posturing, after COVID, western leaders need a new excuse to justify their presence, because they face protests by their own population and their time in Office is running out.

Biden has been particularly non-existent on the world stage and very unpopular in the US. Same with BoJo.

Edited February 23, 2022 by butterfly

[butterfly]

  On 2/22/2022 at 9:53 AM, oldschooler said:

NATO will instead defend Free Ukraine with non- military actions which will shortly cripple Russia.

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not much of a defense for a military organization if the only actions are non-military,

failed again 

[Guest1]

  On 2/21/2022 at 2:55 PM, Rookiescot said:

Whats Putin going to do by taking over Ukraine? Put himself into contact with 3 other NATO countries? Its stupidity on stilts

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Not sure, he wants ALL of Ukraine.

Because to stop NATO from making UKRAINE one of them, it is enough to get the Ukraine into a conflict over its own territory. 

[Rookiescot]

  On 2/23/2022 at 3:12 PM, butterfly said:

and Russia is far more Democratic than China or NK. That's not an argument to start a war, or sanctions.

It's all western posturing, after COVID, western leaders need a new excuse to justify their presence, because they face protests by their own population and their time in Office is running out.

Biden has been particularly non-existent on the world stage and very unpopular in the US. Same with BoJo.

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The sanctions are because of his actions. Not because of a lack of democracy.

Should megalomaniacs go unpunished or not? Yes or no? 

[butterfly]

  On 2/23/2022 at 3:54 PM, Rookiescot said:

Should megalomaniacs go unpunished or not? Yes or no? 

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well, let's bomb China and the rest of the world then

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[oldschooler]

  On 2/23/2022 at 3:16 PM, butterfly said:

not much of a defense for a military organization if the only actions are non-military,

failed again 

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You clearly know nothing about NATO. They are not permitted to defend non- NATO lands by direct military action. Perhaps they can make an exception for Putin though …..

[oldschooler]

  On 2/23/2022 at 5:01 PM, butterfly said:

well, let's bomb China and the rest of the world then

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Just tyrants and their infrastructure….. fear not little Putin trollbot ….sooner or later tyrants make big enough mistakes …then either their own enslaved people, or NATO, will tear them to pieces….

[oldschooler]

  On 2/23/2022 at 5:01 PM, butterfly said:

well, let's bomb China and the rest of the world then

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About as funny as cancer don’t bother trying to answer simple questions. you might strain yourselfjust carry with deflecting troll-bot nonsense.

[butterfly]

  On 2/23/2022 at 5:27 PM, oldschooler said:

Just tyrants and their infrastructure….. fear not little Putin trollbot ….sooner or later tyrants make big enough mistakes …then either their own enslaved people, or NATO, will tear them to pieces….

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90% of the world is run by dictators, it's going to be a very lonely place for our democracies 

Who will we bomb then? probably each other democracy 

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[oldschooler]

  On 2/23/2022 at 3:22 PM, Guest1 said:

Not sure, he wants ALL of Ukraine.

Because to stop NATO from making UKRAINE one of them, it is enough to get the Ukraine into a conflict over its own territory. 

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Already done back on 2014. Ukraine will never be admitted into NATO. Insufficient Land /  Border Control.  Extreme Russian- style Corruption. Inevitable  NATO member Veto.Putin knows all this. 

[oldschooler]

  On 2/23/2022 at 5:33 PM, butterfly said:

90% of the world is run by dictators, it's going to be a very lonely place for our democracies 

Who will bomb then? probably each other democracy 

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Democracies NEVER attack Democracies. All People get the govt. they deserve. no exceptions. Russians always choose tyranny so they can eat the consequences Yes, Democracy a precious flower in a field of thorns.

[oldschooler]

  On 2/23/2022 at 3:12 PM, butterfly said:

and Russia is far more Democratic than China or NK. That's not an argument to start a war, or sanctions.

It's all western posturing, after COVID, western leaders need a new excuse to justify their presence, because they face protests by their own population and their time in Office is running out.

Biden has been particularly non-existent on the world stage and very unpopular in the US. Same with BoJo.

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Pay attention oh tiny trollbot because this concerns all Putin glove puppets. Tyranny is Tyranny. Dictatorships by definition have Zero Democracy & Life Presidents & No Opposition Party’s.Russia has Fake Democracy. Deception. China & N. Korea don’t even pretend to have democracy. You already know this.

[oldschooler]

  On 2/23/2022 at 3:12 PM, butterfly said:

and Russia is far more Democratic than China or NK. That's not an argument to start a war, or sanctions.

It's all western posturing, after COVID, western leaders need a new excuse to justify their presence, because they face protests by their own population and their time in Office is running out.

Biden has been particularly non-existent on the world stage and very unpopular in the US. Same with BoJo.

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“posturing - world stage- unpopular” ; all silly shallow word play for tiny tot  barking agitators. America Sole Superpower & Greatest Economy + NATO Greatest Military + UK, all OWN that World Stage, my little trollbot, and just rent it out to Tyrants to make fools of themselves with ceaseless streams of grotesque lies.

[oldschooler]

  On 2/23/2022 at 3:07 PM, butterfly said:

indeed, but let's not have facts expose the anti-Putin crowd intellectual dishonesty and bias  

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Not facts at all. “Partial” NATO membership doesn’t exist.Ukraine as a western- recognized Democracy, is receiving NATO Military Intel, Supplies & Training.
No NATO Direct Forces in Ukraine as Ukraine not a NATO Member. 

Putin wants to wreck & destabilize Ukraine into becoming a weak democracy, a Russian- dominated buffer state between Russia & NATO without NATO or EU or status.

[Fluke]

  On 2/23/2022 at 6:24 PM, oldschooler said:

Not facts at all. “Partial” NATO membership doesn’t exist.Ukraine as a western- recognized Democracy, is receiving NATO Military Intel, Supplies & Training.
No NATO Direct Forces in Ukraine as Ukraine not a NATO Member. 

Putin wants to wreck & destabilize Ukraine into becoming a weak democracy, a Russian- dominated buffer state between Russia & NATO without NATO or EU or status.

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"On 12 June 2020, Ukraine joined NATO's enhanced opportunity partner interoperability program. According to an official NATO statement, the new status "does not prejudge any decisions on NATO membership."

   

[oldschooler]

  On 2/23/2022 at 3:03 PM, butterfly said:

right because this forum is so significant for the Kremlin

dude, you have to accept that some of us can have a different independent opinion than yours, using logic and history to justify our arguments, rather than using self-righteous and empty outrage about a situation that is more complex that you make it to be. 

Glad, that my master, Vlad, had followed my advice and went ahead with the 'incursion' to save Ukraine from harming itself 

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Your pro- tyranny, anti - democratic, anti-West position is clear. It is not independent, just nasty propaganda ….and only logical if you are a Russian tyrant or apologist.

claiming naked aggression is “complex” is a common deflection tactic when people have no reasonable case and/or are unable or indeed unwilling to breakdown situations into component parts. nothing complex about Russian tanks rolling across Ukrainian landor brutal unreasonable Russian “demands” 

Unfree Tyranny  “threatened” by Coalition of Free Nations. TOUGH /Get Free.  “Invasion Risk to Russia”. NONSENSE/ Get FREE then no need for NATO !