News Forum - Government wants to closely monitor eateries following extension of alcohol curfew

[Cabra]

Want and will are worlds apart... 

[Stonker]

47 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Yes but it “ spreads” much more, and with more serious effect, in bars & nightclubs & events & travel, between the unvaccinated. so get those anti-social thickos vaxxed or isolated rather than crash entire market sectors.

Agreed, but that doesn't stop it still  being spread!

... and here it's not a question of "anti-social thickos", or at least not many, but of the availability of sufficient decent vaccines - if all you've had is Sinovac, realistically you're 3rd and 4th 'booster' doses of Pfizer are only your first and second jabs and you have to wait three more months between each of those doses.

The country simply isn't vaccinated sufficiently to open bars yet - and pretending drinkeries are eateries doesn't change anything.

[Stonker]

2 hours ago, Fundok said:

Actually, in Germany they haven't found much evidence that people visiting restaurants attract the virus easier, rather to the contrary. With bars, different story. But then, and I probably did not express clearly enough, we talk about eateries being open at all. Once open - and this was the point I wanted to make - it doesn't matter anymore if there is an alcohol curfew in place or not, as the virus is active 24/7 and makes no difference if one consumes alcohol or not. 

No easy answers here. Since the political decision to let eateries open has been made, in consequence they should be allowed to serve alcoholic  beverages as they don't significantly increase the risk of getting infected. I for one would refrain for the time being from any venue where people sit closely together as this is the real driver.

But these are NOT "restaurants", where people sit down at a table, spaced apart, and have a meal and a quiet glass of wine.

They're bars, where people sit or stand at a bar and womble about and drink and the only time they sit spaced apart and don't knock back the booze is in the toilet.

[Fundok]

And they do so before and after the curfew, so where is the difference? It's not the alcohol that causes the increased infection risk it's being maskless, and possibly not everyone being vaccinated.

Since Thai authorities seem to be so fixated on testing, why not prescribe a compulsory antigen test for everyone that wants to enjoy him-/herself at a (bar) eatery or restaurant? Test can be taken by the staff. Everyone is happy. Probably too simple.

[Poolie]

47 minutes ago, Fundok said:

And they do so before and after the curfew, so where is the difference? It's not the alcohol that causes the increased infection risk it's being maskless, and possibly not everyone being vaccinated.

Since Thai authorities seem to be so fixated on testing, why not prescribe a compulsory antigen test for everyone that wants to enjoy him-/herself at a (bar) eatery or restaurant? Test can be taken by the staff. Everyone is happy. Probably too simple.

A lot of people will tell you that they're anything but 'fixated on testing.'

[Chaimai]

10 hours ago, Fundok said:

You mean that there is scientific and empiric based evidence in Thailand that the consumption of alcohol facilitates the spreading of the virus?

It's not the alcohol, it's people sitting in close vicinity that are maskless and not fully vaccinated. That's the risk, not having water or alcohol in your glas. This is not Thailand-specific, this is true everywhere in world.

 

You are half right.

 

If you know anything about Thailand you know that adding alcohol, to the social environment you described, can be a dangerous cocktail. Don't think Farangs - they are a minor contribution to the numbers in all but the larger tourist areas......it is the Thais socialising (drinking, sharing glasses/utensils, double-dipping etc + the hiso whoremongering) that caused the previous explosion in numbers. 

 

The biggest sin is not having the ability to differentiate between large groups and a couple enjoying a bottle of wine with a meal in socially distanced restaurant.

[Fundok]

1 hour ago, Chaimai said:

You are half right.

If you know anything about Thailand you know that adding alcohol, to the social environment you described, can be a dangerous cocktail. Don't think Farangs - they are a minor contribution to the numbers in all but the larger tourist areas......it is the Thais socialising (drinking, sharing glasses/utensils, double-dipping etc + the hiso whoremongering) that caused the previous explosion in numbers. 

The biggest sin is not having the ability to differentiate between large groups and a couple enjoying a bottle of wine with a meal in socially distanced restaurant.

I agree with you that there are no "one-size-fits-them-all"-solutions. And the problem is that this is exactly what currently happens over here. Includes the alcohol curfew and the testing regime to get into the country.

[Manu]

7 hours ago, Jason said:

I haven't actually seen any evidence yet that these rules were as a result of medical advice. In my country, restrictions are only introduced on the basis of medical advice from our chief medical officer in each state and nationally. So what's the basis for the restrictions Thai Authorities or province governors introduce?? Politicians get credibility when they are "following the medical advice". 

Your chief of whatever? What do you know about him? Any conflict of interest? Do you know or/and care? I do….easy to see why if you want to.  what’s wrong if i think you are responsible as I am sure you surely think you are , not to think about things??? What is actually not right about it?? I mean just thinking?

[Chaimai]

10 hours ago, Fundok said:

I agree with you that there are no "one-size-fits-them-all"-solutions. And the problem is that this is exactly what currently happens over here. Includes the alcohol curfew and the testing regime to get into the country.

Absolutely right.

 

I do have some sympathy with the authorities dealing with Thai citizens...........sometimes a one size fits all/sledgehammer approach is the easiest way of dealing with an uneducated population. That is not meant as an insult to Thais - just stating the reality of the challenge.