News Forum - Alleged Bengal tiger poachers must remove their homes from national park

[Thaiger]

Yesterday, rangers at Khao Laem national park in Kanchanaburi ordered the removal of four homes, belonging to five people suspected of hunting and killing two endangered Bengal tigers last week. The suspects and their families, or anyone else currently living in the homes, must leave within 30 days. Those who don’t comply will be charged with violating the National Park Act by illegally occupying land inside a park. They risk a penalty of 4 to 20 years and a fine between 400,000 baht to 2,000,000 baht. Rangers had received reports of hunters killing wild animals in the national park. They […]

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[Stonker]

Looks as if the park rangers will have some nice new accommodation - and why not?

[Guest1]

34 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Looks as if the park rangers will have some nice new accommodation - and why not?

Homes in national parks? Out of my passing by experience, that is very basic. Mostly! 

Everyone on a government salary list should be able, to get something better elsewhere. 

[Stonker]

25 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

Homes in national parks? Out of my passing by experience, that is very basic. Mostly! 

Everyone on a government salary list should be able, to get something better elsewhere. 

The homes may be quite nice - they confiscated one a bit up the road from me that's very nice, but they had the sense to wait until it was finished!

[Guest1]

1 hour ago, Stonker said:

The homes may be quite nice - they confiscated one a bit up the road from me that's very nice, but they had the sense to wait until it was finished!

Yes, but as far as I understood this: These are long timers, there, farmers, in case they are not killing tigers, usually. I would not go the path of "nice/very nice homes",.

[King Cotton]

9 minutes ago, whitesnake said:

Yeah, these are rednecks with teeth missing!! I'm amazed that amongst the arsenal of weaponry they didn't discover 2 x Banjos as well!!  

Yes, Deliverance from evil . . . nice recall of one of my fave movies, there, @whitesnake . . . thanks for that !

[Rain]

10 minutes ago, whitesnake said:

Yeah, these are rednecks with teeth missing!! I'm amazed that amongst the arsenal of weaponry they didn't discover 2 x Banjos as well!!  

The American Farang reference is a bit unseemly.

Different kind of redneck. 

A savage Oriental barbarian comes to mind. 

 

 

[Stonker]

37 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

Yes, but as far as I understood this: These are long timers, there, farmers, in case they are not killing tigers, usually. I would not go the path of "nice/very nice homes",.

I'm not sure that's correct - the prosecution and the park rangers certainly don't think that's what they were .

[AMc]

6 hours ago, Guest1 said:

Yes, but as far as I understood this: These are long timers, there, farmers, in case they are not killing tigers, usually. I would not go the path of "nice/very nice homes",.

Park was established as such, 1991.

[AMc]

 

So, do the perps own the homes, as stated in the article, or were they residents in the homes? I doubt there was any property title search conducted.

Collective family punishment through home/house demolition sounds a bit rough      ((and familiar)).

The family members of a criminal are not necessarily themselves criminals, and so should not be treated as such.

 

(I was surprised to learn the suspects had been released from custody so soon)

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by AMc

[Vince]

48 minutes ago, AMc said:

So, do the perps own the homes, as stated in the article, or were they residents in the homes? I doubt there was any property title search conducted.

Collective family punishment through home/house demolition sounds a bit rough      ((and familiar)).

The family members of a criminal are not necessarily themselves criminals, and so should not be treated as such.

(I was surprised to learn the suspects had been released from custody so soon)

How does one have property title to a home built in a national park?

Unless Thai parks are different from parks I'm familiar with, it's not for sale and you don't live there. 

 

[Guest1]

2 hours ago, AMc said:

The family members of a criminal are not necessarily themselves criminals, and so should not be treated as such

That not even works 100% in the west, anymore. Or has in the past. Just while the law is usually looking at the individual, it is a fact, that in some cultures the "pack", the group socialisation, made it impossible, for the normaly law abiding individual, to step away.

This is/was the reason, in the US, Europe, that "families" like the italian mafia or the know growing arabic "clans" did and/or do soan their wings wider and wider!

Has any family member of this criminals called the police on this crime? I doubt that they even see it as one.

[AMc]

5 hours ago, Vince said:

How does one have property title to a home built in a national park?

Unless Thai parks are different from parks I'm familiar with, it's not for sale and you don't live there. 

 

6 hours ago, AMc said:

Park was established as such, 1991.

My guess would be that the home(s) were there before the park. Plausible.

(and I'm still surprised to learn the suspects had been released from custody so soon)

Edited January 20, 2022 by AMc

[Vince]

30 minutes ago, AMc said:

My guess would be that the home(s) were there before the park. Plausible.

(and I'm still surprised to learn the suspects had been released from custody so soon)

After it became a park the homes were illegal. If they became a place for illegal cattle ranchers and poachers to use they're a blight. 

Demolition makes sense.

[AMc]

3 hours ago, Vince said:

After it became a park the homes were illegal.

 

source?

[Vince]

2 minutes ago, AMc said:

source?

Logic? 

Why would you make a park and allow people to live in it. 

That's not a park. Or maybe parks are run differently in your country? 

How much is a condo or Airbnb in your local park? 

[AMc]

48 minutes ago, Vince said:

Logic? 

Why would you make a park and allow people to live in it. 

That's not a park. Or maybe parks are run differently in your country? 

How much is a condo or Airbnb in your local park? 

Stop. Just stop now.

Logic? No, it's emotion. Pure and simple.

Otherwise, please provide your source for stating "After it became a park the homes were illegal".

Sources maybe like these...

https://www.backpacker.com/news-and-events/that-million-dollar-view/

https://www.boondockersbible.com/knowledgebase/why-is-there-private-property-inside-national-forests-and-parks/

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/09/swiss-cheese-national-park/405865/

https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/environment/2019/11/29/researchers-catalog-private-homes-inside-joshua-tree-national-park/4255490002/

https://www.ft.com/content/3ce2f57c-130d-496d-ac96-ce5ad5861865   (5 homes in UK parks for sale)

https://www.mirrranchgroup.com/land-for-sale-in-us-national-parks/  

 

I could go on. I'll wait to hear your legal expert opinion source(s).